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To get our minds off the questionable defensive play, lets take a look at how CPJs spread option offense is taking shape in year 2 (and how it has been figured out).  The 2008 stats are listed 1st followed by the 2009 stats up to this point (all stats are in a per-game format unless otherwise noted):

Scoring Offense: 24.4 -> 30.0

Total Offense: 372.5 -> 405.6

Yards per play: 6.0 -> 6.2

Rushing offense: 273.2 -> 252.2

Rushing attempts: 49.2 -> 52.2

Rushing avg per carry: 5.6 -> 4.8

Passing offense: 99.2 -> 153.4

Passing attempts: 12.7 -> 13.4

Completion %: 44.8 -> 52.2

Passing yards per attempt: 7.8 -> 11.4 (tops in the nation)

Passing TDs: .38 -> .8 

Pass efficiency: 112.0 -> 162.1

Time of possession: 30:30 -> 33:05

1st downs: 16.5 -> 19.0

3rd down conversion %: 36.6 -> 48.6

Turnovers: 2.1 -> 1.2

 

In summary...total rushing and ypc are down a little - mostly due to the lack of consitent long TD runs by Dwyer that we had last season (defenses appear to be trying to take him out of the equation).  Every passing statistic is way up (a lot of that b/c of last week).  Our total yards and scoring are significantly up - this can be largely attributed to the sharp decrease in turnovers.  The two numbers that jump out to me most though: time of possession and 3rd down conversions.  Both those numbers are VERY good right now.  All this is even more impressive when you consider we have (IMO) an easier group of defenses left on the schedule than what we have faced.  Also, our offensive numbers improved through the season last year which leads me to believe we will improve on execution as the season unfolds. 

They said CPJs offense wouldn't work at the BCS level.  They said in year 2 it would be slowed down.  I wonder what they will say for year 3?



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A lot of the passing came against Miss St this year, but if I recall, a lot of the passing numbers came at Duke last year.

Bottom line is that the stats show what I think we all realize. The offense is better this year. In fact, I think it has gotten better in recent weeks and is on a upward trend.



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Are those 2008 season stats or 2008 first 5 game stats?

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The Champ wrote: Are those 2008 season stats or 2008 first 5 game stats?
I took the "up to this point" comment to mean the first 5 games.  Good question though.



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They are 2008 stats for the whole season - I pulled them from the ACC site...it would take a bit of time to individually pull out each game's stats for the first 5 games. I might be able to do that after work sometime in the next few days. I think you'll find that its significantly higher than last year's first 5 games though. The Miami, FSU, and UGA games really boosted our numbers near the nd of the season.

Off the top of my head, we averaged 28.4 ppg (OOC opponents were the same but 2008 had BC, VT, Duke while in 2009 we had Clemson, UNC, Miami - which I would argue are better defenses).

I have visions of compiling a big spreadsheet to look at it...maybe that will come over the weekend when I have some free time...

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Good stuff either way. The best stat to me is 2.1 turnovers to 1.2.

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The Champ wrote: Good stuff either way. The best stat to me is 2.1 turnovers to 1.2.
Yeah I like that one too.  We have still put the ball on the ground a few times, but usually get back on top of them.  Heck, we only have 3 turnovers through our last 4 games, and 1 turnover through the last 3 games!

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gtrower wrote: To get our minds off the questionable defensive play, lets take a look at how CPJs spread option offense is taking shape in year 2 (and how it has been figured out).  The 2008 stats are listed 1st followed by the 2009 stats up to this point (all stats are in a per-game format unless otherwise noted):

Scoring Offense: 28.4 -> 30.0

Total Offense: 412.0 -> 405.6

Yards per play:  6.9 -> 6.2

Rushing offense: 290.2 -> 252.2

Rushing attempts: 49.8 -> 52.2

Rushing avg per carry: 5.8 -> 4.8

Passing offense: 121.8-> 153.4

Passing attempts: 12.0 -> 13.4

Completion %: 52.8 -> 52.2

Passing yards per attempt: 10.0 -> 11.4 (tops in the nation)

Passing TDs: 0.6 -> .8 

Pass efficiency: 151.73 -> 162.1

Time of possession: 30:54 -> 33:05

1st downs: 18.8 -> 19.0

3rd down conversion %: 40.1 -> 48.6

Turnovers: 1.8 -> 1.2

 

In summary...total rushing and ypc are down a little - mostly due to the lack of consitent long TD runs by Dwyer that we had last season (defenses appear to be trying to take him out of the equation).  Every passing statistic is way up (a lot of that b/c of last week).  Our total yards and scoring are significantly up - this can be largely attributed to the sharp decrease in turnovers.  The two numbers that jump out to me most though: time of possession and 3rd down conversions.  Both those numbers are VERY good right now.  All this is even more impressive when you consider we have (IMO) an easier group of defenses left on the schedule than what we have faced.  Also, our offensive numbers improved through the season last year which leads me to believe we will improve on execution as the season unfolds. 

They said CPJs offense wouldn't work at the BCS level.  They said in year 2 it would be slowed down.  I wonder what they will say for year 3?

Updated for 2008 5 game stretch for accurate comparison.  Few other notables:

TO margin has increased from 0.6 to 1.2.  Our own ball security is really helpful here.

http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=255&year=2008&week=6

What I can gather from this is that things haven't changed too drastically from last year offensively. 

Good points not talked about above are the TOs are down, and YPA are up.  The YPA is significant as I believe part of our success last year was defenses not preparing for our passing game. (evidenced by our passing game dropped off towards the end of the year) I hate the college passing efficiency because it is too hard to judge so I won't mention it.  Case in Point, Scott blair leads our team right now w/ a 715.6 rating.  I like the NFL version much better.

Bad points:  YPC has dropped pretty badly, down a full yard.  I think this is due to JD not running wild like last year and our offensive line issues.  It seems like our offensive style is changing but is atleast as good if not better than last year. 



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gtrower wrote: To get our minds off the questionable defensive play, lets take a look at how CPJs spread option offense is taking shape in year 2 (and how it has been figured out).  The 2008 stats are listed 1st followed by the 2009 stats up to this point (all stats are in a per-game format unless otherwise noted):

Scoring Offense: 24.4 -> 30.0

Total Offense: 372.5 -> 405.6

Yards per play: 6.0 -> 6.2

Rushing offense: 273.2 -> 252.2

Rushing attempts: 49.2 -> 52.2

Rushing avg per carry: 5.6 -> 4.8

Passing offense: 99.2 -> 153.4

Passing attempts: 12.7 -> 13.4

Completion %: 44.8 -> 52.2

Passing yards per attempt: 7.8 -> 11.4 (tops in the nation)

Passing TDs: .38 -> .8 

Pass efficiency: 112.0 -> 162.1

Time of possession: 30:30 -> 33:05

1st downs: 16.5 -> 19.0

3rd down conversion %: 36.6 -> 48.6

Turnovers: 2.1 -> 1.2

 

In summary...total rushing and ypc are down a little - mostly due to the lack of consitent long TD runs by Dwyer that we had last season (defenses appear to be trying to take him out of the equation).  Every passing statistic is way up (a lot of that b/c of last week).  Our total yards and scoring are significantly up - this can be largely attributed to the sharp decrease in turnovers.  The two numbers that jump out to me most though: time of possession and 3rd down conversions.  Both those numbers are VERY good right now.  All this is even more impressive when you consider we have (IMO) an easier group of defenses left on the schedule than what we have faced.  Also, our offensive numbers improved through the season last year which leads me to believe we will improve on execution as the season unfolds. 

They said CPJs offense wouldn't work at the BCS level.  They said in year 2 it would be slowed down.  I wonder what they will say for year 3?


GREAT POST, thanks for putting that together!  I am going to cut and paste and email to TIM BRANDO at CBS.  He was interviewed on 790 by POLOK the day before UNC.  POLOK "Has PJ's offense been figured out now that it is in its second year?"  Tim Brando "Yes, yes and yes". 

Considering the 'front loading' of our schedule we should see our number improve!



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GTwakeandsnow wrote: gtrower wrote: To get our minds off the questionable defensive play, lets take a look at how CPJs spread option offense is taking shape in year 2 (and how it has been figured out).  The 2008 stats are listed 1st followed by the 2009 stats up to this point (all stats are in a per-game format unless otherwise noted):

Scoring Offense: 28.4 -> 30.0

Total Offense: 412.0 -> 405.6

Yards per play:  6.9 -> 6.2

Rushing offense: 290.2 -> 252.2

Rushing attempts: 49.8 -> 52.2

Rushing avg per carry: 5.8 -> 4.8

Passing offense: 121.8-> 153.4

Passing attempts: 12.0 -> 13.4

Completion %: 52.8 -> 52.2

Passing yards per attempt: 10.0 -> 11.4 (tops in the nation)

Passing TDs: 0.6 -> .8 

Pass efficiency: 151.73 -> 162.1

Time of possession: 30:54 -> 33:05

1st downs: 18.8 -> 19.0

3rd down conversion %: 40.1 -> 48.6

Turnovers: 1.8 -> 1.2

 

In summary...total rushing and ypc are down a little - mostly due to the lack of consitent long TD runs by Dwyer that we had last season (defenses appear to be trying to take him out of the equation).  Every passing statistic is way up (a lot of that b/c of last week).  Our total yards and scoring are significantly up - this can be largely attributed to the sharp decrease in turnovers.  The two numbers that jump out to me most though: time of possession and 3rd down conversions.  Both those numbers are VERY good right now.  All this is even more impressive when you consider we have (IMO) an easier group of defenses left on the schedule than what we have faced.  Also, our offensive numbers improved through the season last year which leads me to believe we will improve on execution as the season unfolds. 

They said CPJs offense wouldn't work at the BCS level.  They said in year 2 it would be slowed down.  I wonder what they will say for year 3?

Updated for 2008 5 game stretch for accurate comparison.  Few other notables:

TO margin has increased from 0.6 to 1.2.  Our own ball security is really helpful here.

http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=255&year=2008&week=6

What I can gather from this is that things haven't changed too drastically from last year offensively. 

Good points not talked about above are the TOs are down, and YPA are up.  The YPA is significant as I believe part of our success last year was defenses not preparing for our passing game. (evidenced by our passing game dropped off towards the end of the year) I hate the college passing efficiency because it is too hard to judge so I won't mention it.  Case in Point, Scott blair leads our team right now w/ a 715.6 rating.  I like the NFL version much better.

Bad points:  YPC has dropped pretty badly, down a full yard.  I think this is due to JD not running wild like last year and our offensive line issues.  It seems like our offensive style is changing but is atleast as good if not better than last year. 

 

I think another interesting comparison would be time of possesion.

We seem to be having longer more methodical drives on a consistant basis.  Last year every drive seemed to be 3 and out or 3 and score (big plays).

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