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http://www.bobbarr2008.com/press/press-releases/30/explore-anwr-and-outer-continental-shelf-says-bob-barr/

June 19, 2008 6:35 pm EST


Atlanta, GA -- “The United States has large energy deposits within its own borders and off its shores.” says Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate for president.  “It is time for America to develop those resources to benefit the American people.”

The Democratic Party remains a large road block to a better energy future, since it even opposes exploration to determine how much oil and natural gas we have.  “Sen. Barack Obama and his fellow Democrats say they want to promote a prosperous America, but they are committed to keeping us dependent on expensive foreign energy sources,” Barr observes.

Unfortunately, Sen. John McCain is little better. He is “a late and uncertain convert to a smarter energy policy,” says Barr.  For years Sen. McCain, like most of his Democratic colleagues, opposed allowing development of the Outer Continental Shelf, thought to contain 86 billion barrels of oil, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, believed to hold another eight to ten billion barrels of petroleum. Trillions of cubic feet of natural gas are available in the same areas.

“Even now, with gasoline prices racing past $4 a gallon, Sen. McCain cannot bring himself to support exploration in the small portion of ANWR known to contain valuable energy resources,” notes Barr.  This week Sen. McCain said he “would be more than happy to examine it again,” but, argues Barr, “the time for making a responsible decision on energy development was years ago.”

Even where states have indicated their support for exploration—as in Virginia, where last year Gov. Tim Kaine and the legislature urged seismic testing—Congress has refused to appropriate the minimal funds necessary to act.  “Congress foolishly tosses billions of dollars annually at alternative fuels which are never likely to be cost effective, yet refuses to take the most basic steps to develop proven energy reserves,” notes Barr.

It will be years before oil from these sources can be brought to market, critics complain.  “That just underscores the need to act now,” explains Barr.  We are vulnerable today to an overpriced world marketplace because we failed to develop our resources years ago. “Reducing our energy vulnerability should not be an issue of left or right; it is the responsible policy for America,” Barr insists.

Barr represented the 7th District of Georgia in the U. S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003, where he served as a senior member of the Judiciary Committee, as Vice-Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and as a member of the Committee on Financial Services. Prior to his congressional career, Barr was appointed by President Reagan to serve as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, and also served as an official with the CIA.

Since leaving Congress, Barr has been practicing law and has teamed up with groups ranging from the American Civil Liberties Union to the American Conservative Union to actively advocate every American citizens’ right to privacy and other civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Along with this, Bob is committed to helping elect leaders who will strive for smaller government, lower taxes and abundant individual freedom.


 



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I'll 2nd that

McCain is missing out on a big potential winner by being sucha pansy, this should be his issue. at least he got it half right with the offshore drilling.



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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: I'll 2nd that

McCain is missing out on a big potential winner by being sucha pansy, this should be his issue. at least he got it half right with the offshore drilling.

You will learn that we have it about 95% correct...the pain from Prez Obama hopefully will make you realize what's truly important.



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    Wow.....and the point is what..??..Barr knows we're in a pickle..??..



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GTpanic99 wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: I'll 2nd that

McCain is missing out on a big potential winner by being sucha pansy, this should be his issue. at least he got it half right with the offshore drilling.

You will learn that we have it about 95% correct...the pain from Prez Obama hopefully will make you realize what's truly important.



Doesn't matter, the problem with the system is the problem with democracy.  Do you *really* beleive that at any point in the future, the masses will ever vote for candidates that promise to shrink the government to a fraction of what it is today, take away all sorts of neat benefits that they are about to get with a 100% democrat controlled government...do you really think the masses will ever realize that we're going to go bankrupt at some point in the future?  I don't...

Civililzed nations don't evolve to the right, they evolve to the left...take a quick look at the old "civilized" nations of Europe, nearly every one has gone hard left/socialist.  They've gone completely soft for "humanity" and we are headed in that direction fast.  We get so caught up in the comforts we have afforded ourselves that we now take for granted these things as givens / entitlements for all.  We forget what is important in life: right vs. wrong, justice, responsibility...everything deginerates into an emotional argument not based on reality or the real consequences of the very short sighted utopian, emotionally rationalized policies.

And that is the root of my political pessimism and the future of the US.

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Doesn't matter, the problem with the system is the problem with democracy.  Do you *really* beleive that at any point in the future, the masses will ever vote for candidates that promise to shrink the government to a fraction of what it is today, take away all sorts of neat benefits that they are about to get with a 100% democrat controlled government...do you really think the masses will ever realize that we're going to go bankrupt at some point in the future?  I don't...

Civililzed nations don't evolve to the right, they evolve to the left...take a quick look at the old "civilized" nations of Europe, nearly every one has gone hard left/socialist.  They've gone completely soft for "humanity" and we are headed in that direction fast.  We get so caught up in the comforts we have afforded ourselves that we now take for granted these things as givens / entitlements for all.  We forget what is important in life: right vs. wrong, justice, responsibility...everything deginerates into an emotional argument not based on reality or the real consequences of the very short sighted utopian, emotionally rationalized policies.

And that is the root of my political pessimism and the future of the US.


Excellent observation.....Here's a line from an oracle on the fall of Rome.....

"Prosperity ripened the principle of decay"

I suppose I could imagine several sovereign countries formed by carving up the U.S. after it's demise.....

Southern states would form a conservative, law-abiding, religious, polite and hard-working country.....

Northeast would be a country like France or England.......

Midwest would be somewhat like the southeast......

Southwest would be more or less an anarchy.....

Northwest would be like the Netherlands.....

And of course California....well, it wouldn't change much.....



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anotherfootballfan wrote:

Excellent observation.....Here's a line from an oracle on the fall of Rome.....

"Prosperity ripened the principle of decay"

I suppose I could imagine several sovereign countries formed by carving up the U.S. after it's demise.....

Southern states would form a conservative, law-abiding, religious, polite and hard-working country.....

Northeast would be a country like France or England.......

Midwest would be somewhat like the southeast......

Southwest would be more or less an anarchy.....

Northwest would be like the Netherlands.....

And of course California....well, it wouldn't change much.....



No doubt the Southeast and Midwest would continue to live on under the ideals on which America was founded upon.

Lets not forget that Conservatism is actually classic liberalism; a foundation of the priciples of the american revolution.



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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: anotherfootballfan wrote:

Excellent observation.....Here's a line from an oracle on the fall of Rome.....

"Prosperity ripened the principle of decay"

I suppose I could imagine several sovereign countries formed by carving up the U.S. after it's demise.....

Southern states would form a conservative, law-abiding, religious, polite and hard-working country.....

Northeast would be a country like France or England.......

Midwest would be somewhat like the southeast......

Southwest would be more or less an anarchy.....

Northwest would be like the Netherlands.....

And of course California....well, it wouldn't change much.....



No doubt the Southeast and Midwest would continue to live on under the ideals on which America was founded upon.

Lets not forget that Conservatism is actually classic liberalism; a foundation of the priciples of the american revolution.

We must also remember that, although we refer to the political spectrum as being a line running left to right, it's actually a circle....



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Someone answer me this:  Many of the democrats' comebacks to the proposed increase in domestic drilling is something like "they're just looking out for their big oil buddies!" but does this make any sense at all?  Assuming the whole point is to decrease the price of gasoline, doesn't it go w/o saying that this would only decrease profits to big oil companies?  Is it just me or does keeping the price of oil high only help the oil companies?

Yet another brain fart.  Why doesn't somebody call these assholes out on this stuff?  I'd love to hear McCain ask Obama to explain this logic, he'd be tripping over himself to answer it.

Whats so sad is that so many people drink the kool aid before thinking about it first.  It makes no sense.  I'd be offended that the Dems think I'm so dumb as to beleive them.

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: GTpanic99 wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: I'll 2nd that

McCain is missing out on a big potential winner by being sucha pansy, this should be his issue. at least he got it half right with the offshore drilling.

You will learn that we have it about 95% correct...the pain from Prez Obama hopefully will make you realize what's truly important.



Doesn't matter, the problem with the system is the problem with democracy.  Do you *really* beleive that at any point in the future, the masses will ever vote for candidates that promise to shrink the government to a fraction of what it is today, take away all sorts of neat benefits that they are about to get with a 100% democrat controlled government...do you really think the masses will ever realize that we're going to go bankrupt at some point in the future?  I don't...

Civililzed nations don't evolve to the right, they evolve to the left...take a quick look at the old "civilized" nations of Europe, nearly every one has gone hard left/socialist.  They've gone completely soft for "humanity" and we are headed in that direction fast.  We get so caught up in the comforts we have afforded ourselves that we now take for granted these things as givens / entitlements for all.  We forget what is important in life: right vs. wrong, justice, responsibility...everything deginerates into an emotional argument not based on reality or the real consequences of the very short sighted utopian, emotionally rationalized policies.

And that is the root of my political pessimism and the future of the US.



Spoken like a true complain-but-don't-act party-over-principle vote-against-not-for defeatist. Congrats Helluva, you have arrived, next is death!! It's all you get to look forward to, the end...failure, you seem very comfortable with it.

 



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Why are you 2 wasting your time discussing Barr and McCain?

We all know Obama will probably be the next PREZ.

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wesleyd21 wrote: Why are you 2 wasting your time discussing Barr and McCain?

We all know Obama will probably be the next PREZ.

A 4 point lead isn't much...certainly not enough to talk crap and call the election as over already.



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Thought of the day: FELONS CAN'T VOTE

Let's look at the facts: More black people(1:8 black men) have been incarcerated for a felony than whites (1:25).

I wonder how many of the formerly convicted will try to vote and will this become an issue come Nov. 5th?

Will there be more outrage ala "stolen election" from the right?...if there are any of the formerly convicted who somehow made their way to the polls....could be interesting.

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wesleyd21 wrote: Thought of the day: FELONS CAN'T VOTE

Let's look at the facts: More black people(1:8 black men) have been incarcerated for a felony than whites (1:25).

I wonder how many of the formerly convicted will try to vote and will this become an issue come Nov. 5th?

Will there be more outrage ala "stolen election" from the right?...if there are any of the formerly convicted who somehow made their way to the polls....could be interesting.


I don't think this will be an issue.  You're giving the ex-cons too much credit IMO.  They couldn't care less about the election.  And it would probably take 10's of thousands to make a difference in close states.

IF, big IF, McCain does win, and it is a close one, it is very possible that he will do so w/o winning the popular vote, given the huge amount of black turnout likely in the red southern states that would add to the popular vote but add nothing to the electoral delegates count or whatever its called.

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wesleyd21 wrote: Thought of the day: FELONS CAN'T VOTE

That's a great thing!

Now, if we could just make it so that only property owners could vote ... and those who could pass the naturalization exam.

Maybe weigh one's vote based on the amount of taxes paid.

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BlueLeo wrote: Now, if we could just make it so that only property owners could vote ... and those who could pass the naturalization exam.

Maybe weigh one's vote based on the amount of taxes paid.

I've always been a proponent of qualifying voters.....points could be given for taxes paid, income earned, credit rating, business ownership, arrest/conviction record, civic participation, property ownership, education, maybe a civics test........

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anotherfootballfan wrote: BlueLeo wrote: Now, if we could just make it so that only property owners could vote ... and those who could pass the naturalization exam.

Maybe weigh one's vote based on the amount of taxes paid.

I've always been a proponent of qualifying voters.....points could be given for taxes paid, income earned, credit rating, business ownership, arrest/conviction record, civic participation, property ownership, education, maybe a civics test........

Kind of like a credit score/report.



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Great article:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/JonahGoldberg/2008/06/20/that_70s_show?page=full&comments=true

 



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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Great article:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/JonahGoldberg/2008/06/20/that_70s_show?page=full&comments=true

 


........we constantly hear we can't drill our way to lower gas prices, but how does anybody know when we haven't even tried?.........



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wesleyd21 wrote: Why are you 2 wasting your time discussing Barr and McCain?

We all know Obama will probably be the next PREZ.

wesley21, there is a very radical liberal democrat on this board that stated

"He will never leave the convention ALIVE"

He is so radical, he is the one that would probably pull the trigger



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