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Also, they had more than two passes with Jones. If you watch the game again you will see they had a couple of screen plays called, and a couple more passes called than what you would see at first glance. Jones, more often than not, decided to try and make something happen with his feet (big mistake against our D) rather than throw it. Its like people were saying before. Tenuta's defense plus an inexperienced QB might equal disaster for ND. I would agree, and add the inexperienced Line as well.
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Weis scored only 17 points in 2 games against Tenuta. Tenuta is a great DC ... but he's not that great unless he has some help. Richt put up 34 at halftime vs Tenuta in his 1st UGA vs Tech game. That numbnutts at Utah dropped 30+ in Tenuta's lap with his second string QB and a very mediocre team. Phillip Rivers was there when Red Shoes arrived at NC State. Everyone thought Red Shoes was a good coach. Then Rivers left and then whole deal first slowly then quickly spiraled down the toilet. Weis had Quinn make him look good. What I've seen about Weis that doesn't bode well is that a lot of people don't respect him. Thats not good.
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blackprix Letterman 
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BeeBad wrote: Weis scored only 17 points in 2 games against Tenuta. Tenuta is a great DC ... but he's not that great unless he has some help. Bee ... I can tell you he is respected.
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Who doesn't respect him? The only people I know of is crazy fans of teams who hate ND, who don't respect him solely b/c he coaches ND. These same people also say that Brady Quinn was a terrible QB. Also, different teams have different strengths and weaknesses. Sure ND hasn't put up much against us. But they were also the only team last year to score more than two touchdowns offensively against USC, and that was without their starting TE. You can argue that all day. But I think when it comes down to it, we are just really well matched against ND. Plus you gotta admit, as good as Tenuta is, he even makes mistakes, and has bad games. It just happens. Otherwise we would say Tenuta is a terrible coach cause WVU put up so many against us. On the contrary. Tenuta is a good coach, who was outmatched / coached for one game.
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BeeBad Administrator
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GTBUBBA84 wrote: Who doesn't respect him? The only people I know of is crazy fans of teams who hate ND, who don't respect him solely b/c he coaches ND. These same people also say that Brady Quinn was a terrible QB. Good coaches win bowl games. Colin Cowherd was discussing this the other day when talking about Lloyd Carr. Carr has a losing bowl record. Cowherd ticked off all the top coaches and they all have winning bowl records. Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel, Barry Alvarez, Mark Richt, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno to name a few. Lloyd Carr has a losing bowl record. So does Charlie Weis.
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I'd tend to say that a good coach is one who gets the absolute best out of his players. Sometimes that means winning, sometimes it means you are still outmatched. I think this is the case with Charlie Weis talent wise. His team wasn't even considered talented until he coached it. That to me, shows he is a good coach. The bowl record...we will see about. ALl the other coaches have been in the league a while and have played teams about par with them in those bowl games. ND on the other hand, b/c of the media and popularity, got into bowls with teams who were better than they were. IE Ohio State, and LSU (two of the best teams in the country) Also Colin Cowherd would probably be the first to tell you that Charlie Weis is a great coach. Last edited on Wed Sep 5th, 2007 08:06 pm by GTBUBBA84 |
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blackprix Letterman
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BeeBad wrote: GTBUBBA84 wrote:Who doesn't respect him? The only people I know of is crazy fans of teams who hate ND, who don't respect him solely b/c he coaches ND. These same people also say that Brady Quinn was a terrible QB. Come on Bee ... Charlie's lst HC job and he's only been there for 2 years ... into his 3rd. Richt lost his lst bowl to BC with some good talent. You can't hang all this on Weis or Richt. He also had some poor game management as well. He's done well since then but he had problems early on. Richt had to get some experience and adjusted to calling the shots ... for some, it doesn't take much to get the ball rolling ... for others it's harder or because of a situation will take more time. Donnan recruited extremely well at GA and was not lacking in a talent pool when Richt took over ... that was not the case for ND. They hadn't been in the Top 25 in recruiting since Davie or before him. IMO Charlie has a building situation where Richt had a foundation already ... just had to build upon it and learn how to be a HC. He's succeeded but not before he had to go through stuff.
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GTBUBBA84 wrote: Im not saying that Weis did a great job against us satuday. Obviously he lost. This prompts a question, y'all: if you had to pick from Weis, Willingham or Gailey to coach GT, which one would it be?
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I think you all know who I would choose. Weis...and keep Tenuta!
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blackprix Letterman
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GTBUBBA84 wrote: I think you all know who I would choose. Good match up!
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WrecksNEffect Letterman 
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BeeBad wrote: 3518techie wrote:First of all it is too cold to protest in South Bend!Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall. All those Weis supporters keep forgetting that Ty had BRADY AS A FR. & SOPH.; you cannot compare a Jr./Sr with 24+ starts to a Fr. or Soph.! Also, those Weis supporters (GT BUBBA84) are also forgetting that last yr. ND had 4 Sr. OLinemen that ended up on NFL 85-man camp rosters, that were also Fr. & Sophs. when Ty was at ND; Weis got the benefit of a VETERAN OL that were good enough to get a shot at the NFL; PLUS these parts: Brady as a Jr./Sr. Szxmardziaghtyer or whatever his name is, as a Jr./sr. Rhema McKnight as a Sr. (had an ACL as a Jr.) 4 Sr. OLinemen that made 85-man NFL rosters Darius Walker as a Soph./Jr. both years had 1,000 rushing PLUS could catch out of the backfield 2 NFL caliber TEs, I don't remember their names, but 1 did make the NFL, and I think the other got a tryout and was on an 85 man roster at some point. If you look at ALL THAT TY LEFT BEHIND; the "so-called" Genius WEIS, walked into a situation where the OFFENSE WAS LOADED WITH NFL-Caliber players, and the defense needed some improvement. For all we know HAD TY REMAINED AS ND COACH; those same OFFENSIVE players would have matured and he would have had the SAME SUCCESS AS WEIS! Those folks that are saying that Weis "coached-em-up", are drinking the "kool-aid"; who's to say what Weis would have done with those same players had HE COACHED THEM AS FR. & SOPHS. Those that are saying that Weis has been CLEARLY better than Ty, either don't know CFB or they are huge Weis fans, and don't want to understand the FACTS.
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blackprix Letterman
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WrecksNEffect wrote: BeeBad wrote:3518techie wrote:First of all it is too cold to protest in South Bend!Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall. You mean just like Chan had the benefit of what GOL did right???? But he didn't do anything w/them. At least Weis had them in the Top 25 and winning games ... he connected to the fanbase and IMMEDIATELY started recruiting TOP 5 classes ... not Top 25. Listen, I am a Weis fan and I believe this coach will do well at ND. All I heard about Gailey was getting his players - he's got'em not let's see what he does w/them. I know Coach Weis didn't feel that way at ND ... he felt good about what he had when he got there. He also knew there was no speed, depth, or direction and those guys he inherited would be gone pretty fast and building the program was going to happen. It is ... and he's recruiting and he doesn't stand pat with coaches. He changed is DC this season only after 2 season w/the previous DC, and Corwin Brown IS making a difference already. Gailey will stick w/the screwballs he brings in. Coach Weis would be the lst person to admit he was wrong and will not be making excuses. He's upfront and available to ask him why and how come. He's doesn't go into a bunker and you don't hear from him ... quite the opposite he wants the fans to know why and what he's going to do about it. We've had a guy at Tech who has never been accountable for anything that has gone wrong under his watch ... I'll take Coach Weis of this coach today if he were available.
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I know your question was not aimed at me but my choice of a guy to replace dumb ass would be ABC=Anybody But Chan!!!!!!
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WrecksNEffect Letterman
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blackprix wrote: I'm not insinuating that I would ever take Chan over Weis; my point is that Weis is not considerably better than Ty for ND to have cut Ty loose after 3 yrs; and then give Weis a 10 yr. deal.You mean just like Chan had the benefit of what GOL did right???? But he didn't do anything w/them. Weis has loaded up on Service academies and Stanford (during a down era); and then when he plays legit Top 25 teams; ND gets killed. I have not been impressed with Weis; combine that with his smarmy ways; and I dislike him even more!
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blackprix Letterman
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WrecksNEffect wrote: blackprix wrote:You mean just like Chan had the benefit of what GOL did right???? But he didn't do anything w/them.I'm not insinuating that I would ever take Chan over Weis; my point is that Weis is not considerably better than Ty for ND to have cut Ty loose after 3 yrs; and then give Weis a 10 yr. deal. Wrecks I must disagree. I will tell you - this coach is not standing pat and will do whatever is possibly necessary to make ND a player again. He's not just there to get a paycheck. Coach Weis was already doing very well w/the Patriots and could have stayed until he retired. He knew what the ND job meant and that it was going to take a whole lot to get done to bring them back. I believe he's already accomplished the lst step in the process ... recruiting. He'll build upon that and go from there. Last edited on Thu Sep 6th, 2007 02:21 pm by blackprix ____________________ Barack Obama 44th President of the United States! |
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LongforDodd Letterman 
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Weis won with Willingham's players which something Willingham couldn't do. -) Last edited on Thu Sep 6th, 2007 03:18 pm by LongforDodd |
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jacketkev05 Letterman 
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LongforDodd wrote: Weis won with Willingham's players which something Willingham couldn't do. -) Davie screwed ND for good and I'm sure he laughs about it every day. Ty took over a team that was in trouble and recruited all of the players who Weis has capitalized upon the two years prior. I am not pulling the race card but there were a LOT of ND big-timers who wanted O'leary and then were forced at the last minute into taking Ty. They weren't happy about it and they were looking for any way to get rid of him. He was pretty obviously building something (that OLine, Quinn, Walker, the receivin corp (Samardjza, mcknight, TEs) and he wasn't given enough time. Weis implemented a system at NE that was invented by some new England coaches 30 years before his ass even got there. He got Tom Brady to fall into his lap and the benefit of playing for an organization that made it a point to hire no-bullshit guys like Bruschi, Vrabel and on and on. He had a couple of years of success but for the most part, he has been a very minor part of offenses where he has been a coach.
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blackprix Letterman
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jacketkev05 wrote: LongforDodd wrote:Weis won with Willingham's players which something Willingham couldn't do. -) 05 .. you are way off here. Weis was with Parcells/Giants and very successful and with Jet/Parcells/Belichick and very successful. BELICHICK MADE him his OC when he took the Patriots job ... Weis developed that O and had a lot to do with taking Brady late in the draft. He developed Brady ... and Brady says it every time he's asked. The NE O under Weis was not put in place 30 years ago ... that O was created and put in place by Weis. The thing that stands out in NE is that the O coaches are smart and develop as well with the players ... same with the D coaches. The fact that they get guys who can play different positions and are there to do whatever is asked of them to win with no egos is big. Weis was a significant part of them winning 3 Super Bowls as was Romeo Crennell. Belichick is good at replacing players and coaches as well. The current OC and DC have now been in place 3 seasons ... time to win another Super Bowl. Last edited on Thu Sep 6th, 2007 03:50 pm by blackprix ____________________ Barack Obama 44th President of the United States! |
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blackprix Letterman
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BeeBad wrote: GTBUBBA84 wrote:WrecksNEffect wrote:3518techie wrote:Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall.To be fair Weis had the advantage of playing with a Junior & Senior Brady Quinn, whereas Ty had Brady as a Freshman & Soph. | |||||||||||||
