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BeeBad Administrator 
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After Tech whipped the daylights out of Notre Dame it has stirred the pot in the Notre Dame fan base. Was listening to sports talk radio yesterday. Weis is headed towards a very lousy year, somewhere in the 4-8/5-7 range with an outside chance of 3-9. The Ty Willingham/black supporters are going to raise holy hell as to why Willingham was fired and Weis remains with a 10-year contract. The discussions/debates/anger has/ have already started. It could get very ugly. Stay tuned
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3518techie Letterman 
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Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall. ND did overreact in giving Weis the big contract. Weis' agent put out a story the NFL was interested and ND's buyout was "only" 1.5 million. ND owes Weis a lot of money and it may be hard for even for ND to let him go.
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BeeBad Administrator
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3518techie wrote: Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall. techie, don't bother trying to use logic where the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson crew are involved. If there's a drop of blood in the water they will be on the plane en route to South Bend. Some of the arguments I heard were that Weis has no track record as a head coach and Willingham did a helluva job at a tough Stanford situation. Ty Willingham won a Pac 10 championship at Stanford. Bill Walsh with John Elway did not. So Willingham should have been given the time to get things straightened out. Weis won with Willingham's players. You take Brady Quinn out of the mix who was Willingham's recruit and Weis' teams were very shaky the past 2 years. These are some of the legitimate arguments being put out there. Weis is looking at a catastrophic year in '07 and probably no more than mediocre next year. When you look at all the facts the Willingham supporters will have a lot of ammunition. With Chicago a short drive from South Bend I would expect to see a couple hundred thousand marching on South Bend by next fall.
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3518techie Letterman
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I won't argue about Willingham. Some pundits are already point that out. The key for Weis is to at least have momentum going into 2008. I think that's why he's going with Clausen. I do agree that the howling will get loud if ND is mediocer in 2008.
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blackprix Letterman 
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That's ND and every other school who takes their football seriously! They expect more and better EARLY. Weis is a good coach and IMO will do just fine after going through this year w/so many leaving the program last year. LET'S REMEMBER TECH FANS ... Tech is about to experience what ND is going through this year ... next year. Bottom line ... schools like ND won't stand for shit ... Tech seems to be the only one around that I can think of the hangs on to average coaches and settles for less. Last edited on Wed Sep 5th, 2007 04:19 am by blackprix ____________________ Barack Obama 44th President of the United States! |
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therulebookman Letterman 
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agreed blackprix. Alot of people are saying Lloyd Carr's job is in more jeopardy than Weis because that game was such a larger disapointment and its getting so much more national press.
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jacketkev05 Letterman 
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therulebookman wrote: agreed blackprix. If Lloyd Carr loses to OSU again, he will be fired. Charlie could lose 5 or 6 more and he'd still have a job.
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jacketkev05 Letterman
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blackprix wrote: That's ND and every other school who takes their football seriously! We are?? Our OLine will still be strong, hopefully our secondary will be stronger. We will either have a senior starting at QB or a highly-touted sophomore who it appears will get plenty of game time and a RB who is going to be the best in a long time. It sounds to me like you are back-pedalling and FAST. You came into this year saying that this would be a rough season, starting when Weis was going to score all over us. Now, you are starting to see that it is very unlikely that we will win less than 8 games so you are starting to say how bad next year is going to be. Keep in mind that even if we end up in the 30s/40s in terms of recruiting this coming year, these will be our two best classes since Gailey has been here. Only a fool would forecast a worse outcome with better talent.
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HelluvaMGTmjr Vice President 
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Its waaay too early to declare this season a success and definitely too early to call next year a rebuilding year. You guys need to calm down a little and let the season, the team, and the QB progress a little before you start make declarations of success or failure and espcially judgements about any particulary player, besides P Clark 
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WrecksNEffect Letterman 
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3518techie wrote: Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall.To be fair Weis had the advantage of playing with a Junior & Senior Brady Quinn, whereas Ty had Brady as a Freshman & Soph. Those 2 BCS bowls were more based on CFB "politics" than merit; and I don't think Ty had ALL 3 Service Academies on the schedule when he was the ND coach; I could be wrong. But to be honest; Weis has done the SAME EXACT JOB AS Ty; but the difference is, is that ND overreacted when they thought Weis would get an NFL job and gave him a 10 yr. deal; No racism there at all; Ty didn't have any NFL leverage like Weis has/had. When given a 2-star recruit at QB vs. a 1st Round draft pick like Quinn; Weis looked EXACTLY LIKE CHAN GAILEY ON THE SIDELINES; and his offense performed the same. Coming "close" to beating USC is laughable; in the real world that doesn't mean jack; either you win or you don't; the VANDY's of the world beat their chest over "close" losses; NOT THE NDs of CFB!
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WrecksNEffect Letterman
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blackprix wrote: That's ND and every other school who takes their football seriously!Not with DJ Donnely, J .Dwyer, Bebe Thomas plus some decent depth and size on the O-Line coming back next yr.; I don't think that GT will dip below 8 wins next yr. with that type of nucleus coming back, barring injury of course.
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WrecksNEffect Letterman
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3518techie wrote: I won't argue about Willingham. Some pundits are already point that out. The key for Weis is to at least have momentum going into 2008. I think that's why he's going with Clausen. I do agree that the howling will get loud if ND is mediocer in 2008.Weis is a friggin WEASEL! Its a shame that he's throwing a T.Fr. to the wolves to save his fat AZZ! That way he can deflect the criticism away from his poor preparation and hide behind the, "I'm-playing-a-T-Fr.-at-QB" excuse; and then misdirect the fans with the, "wait-til-next-yr." excuse! We now KNOW that Tom BRADY made Weis, rather than Weis making Tom Brady!
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Golden Tornado Letterman 
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I have to disagree with you Blackprix on this one. Weis is the Notre Dame equivilant of Chan Gailey and Groh. In other words, an NFL blowhard who conned his way into a high profile job. I lost all respect for Weis on just picking up on small little bits and pieces of this true lack of character. True, this is not Pop Warner, but I saw an expose on his language with his players and there were more bleeps than a rap video. Shows how much "character" those priests really want to develop in their "student athletes". He defended it by saying "I let people know when I am upset" Oh, do you now, fridge? When the camera is on at least cut back to maybe a half dozen f bombs so the kids mom can watch it. Second, when a Michigan State player was shoved into the ND bench, the film clearly shows Weis lying his ass off by telling the ref " he shoved me!" Amazingly, the MSU kid drew the flag even though his cowardly subs started the thing by jacking the guy up when he was flying into the crowd. Weis is overrated. I agree with Bee, he's headed for a Gerry Faust type year.
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blackprix Letterman
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jacketkev05 wrote: blackprix wrote:That's ND and every other school who takes their football seriously! I picked GT over ND 21-14 ... I was wrong but it has more to do with how I feel about our coaching. Better talent just means better talent. When you've got the offensive side of the ball not producing ... you HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IF better talent means better results. We've got 5 years showing us right now that the O has not produced. Until it does WITH BETTER talent .... we are still stagnant and haven't gotten better.
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blackprix Letterman
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WrecksNEffect wrote: blackprix wrote:That's ND and every other school who takes their football seriously!Not with DJ Donnely, J .Dwyer, Bebe Thomas plus some decent depth and size on the O-Line coming back next yr.; I don't think that GT will dip below 8 wins next yr. with that type of nucleus coming back, barring injury of course. I don't see Chan being consistent ... we know he doesn't like rebuilding because he said it before he took this job .... He wasn't going to any rebuilding program. Tech will have more downs with this coach than ups.
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blackprix Letterman
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Golden Tornado wrote: I have to disagree with you Blackprix on this one. We'll agree to disagree. I believe Charlie will bring ND back ...
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Golden Tornado Letterman
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Not that I care for Notre Dame, but they really screwed up with how they overracted to the O'Leary resume thing. They should have let George go out to a press conference, admit he didn't correct it over the years and basically move on. I would bet over 50% of all the white collared workers in America have things on their resume that are untrue. Not to get off on religion but this is the same bunch that kept known pedophiles in their jobs or moved them to Guatemala when they knew what was in the file. O'Leary saying he lettered didn't have much to do with anything. My hunch is that O'Leary would have been a perfect fit for ND - although his one downfall may have been his intent to take a bunch of half ass assistants like Roof to South Bend and I am not sure that except for McWhorter, who stayed here loyally at the time, were ready for prime time. I know O'Brien wasn't. I think GOL would have been better than either Willingham or what Weis will turn out to be.
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GTBUBBA84 Member
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WrecksNEffect wrote: 3518techie wrote:Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall.To be fair Weis had the advantage of playing with a Junior & Senior Brady Quinn, whereas Ty had Brady as a Freshman & Soph. To be really fair, Brady Quinn and the Irish offense were mediocre at best before Weis came in. Weis has no doubt reshaped the irish offense. And yes, he did this with Ty's players, which if anything is a feat. Ty had one class in the top 10. Weis has had multiple. Also, Brady was not a Ty recruit. He was actually recruited by a fellow player. Brady Quinn was almost a sure sign for Michigan, until he was offered. I think Weis's biggest obstacle is going to be filling in all the recruiting gaps that Ty Willingham obviously left bare. (defense, and OL) You can't call yourself honest if you think Weis has done the exact same job as Willingham. If you honestly believe that, you must be high. ND went from being blown out by SYRACUSE, to averaging over 30 pts a game, not to mention rewriting the offense record books at ND. So please, as much as we might not like ND, lets be honest in how we talk about them. The true weakness of ND right now is its O-Line which is more porous than a hole. None of their QB's were a 2-Star recruit. They all were considered Elite Prospects. However, you can not do anything when you don't have an O-Line. The truth of the matter is that our swarming attack on defense was just way too much for their very, very inexperienced line / team. I think once ND gets a line, they should be an excellent team. As for the service academies, Ty played Air Force, and Navy, before the advent of the extra game in the season. He actually almost lost to Navy twice. Last minute plays and bad coaching (Gailey style) on Navy's part saved ND both times. Again this is something that Weis has not struggled with. If you really look at the numbers HONESTLY, you will see that Weis is a good coach. Honestly, I'd love the day we could get a coach like him rather than Gailey.
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BeeBad Administrator
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GTBUBBA84 wrote: WrecksNEffect wrote:3518techie wrote:Weis is still 19-7. He has gone to 2 BCS bowls. He came within a down of knocking off #1 USC in 2005. Willingham won only 21 overall.To be fair Weis had the advantage of playing with a Junior & Senior Brady Quinn, whereas Ty had Brady as a Freshman & Soph. Make no mistake about this: Charlie Weis had one helluva horseshit gameplan against Tech. A running QB with an inexperienced line and only 2 passes in the first half? What the fuck are you smoking? That was the worst fucking gameplan we've seen against Tenuta's defense in years! Willingham won a PAC 10 title. Something Bill Walsh never did in 2 stints at Stanford, including 1 with John Elway. Sure ND's line is inexperienced but so are a lot of teams. Their center however is considered one of the top centers in the nation and will be one of the first centers taken in the NFL draft. It isn't like they have nobody on that line. Georgia doesn't have much of an OL either. When Mark Richt came off t he field at halftime the announcer asked why his offensive line is doing so good. He said, "because we aren't asking them to do much. We are running slip screens, quick throws and misdirections." Thats what coaches with no OLs do. They don't throw only 2 passes in a half for crissakes. I know where you're coming from Bubba but damn Weis did a lousy coaching job Saturday.
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GTBUBBA84 Member
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Im not saying that Weis did a great job against us satuday. Obviously he lost. All I am saying is that Weis has done much, much better than Willingham. I think Weis definitely asked too much of his young OL by having them try to run a spread option and a pro-style offense. After all, they are extremely young, and have almost no depth. But I also think that right now Weis is suffering from Willinghams lack of recruiting. Just watch at what will happen in Washington. Willingham is an average coach at best. Even though he won a Pac 10 championship, he won it with a weak league and easy schedule. The rest of his time there he had average teams. You can talk about Jim Tressel as well. You wouldnt say he is a bad coach, but you could definitely say that his gameplan against FL in the NC was terrible. Overall he is a great coach.
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