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Posted: Mon Feb 8th, 2010 10:47 pm

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4NCsAndCounting wrote: Architorture wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: ...he just doesn't take hits well either.

this is what I see as well. some guys are very good at avoiding the big squared-up hits. they turn their bodies at the last second, or they juke slightly or whatever, and its hard to square up on them. Jaybo doesnt seem to be one of these guys.That's a point I'll disagree on. I've seen Jaybo in several practices do a great job avoiding hits AND taking a pounding and jump right up like it was nothing.

I was there when the collarbone was broken and it was a flukish play where a lineman fell on him, wasn't even within contact of a play. It happens, ask Colt McCoy.

He's may not be Nesbitt tough but not many are.

There you go, letting the facts get in their way. Wasted time though, the judge and jury has spoken Jaybo is a little fragile wimp that runs straight into every LB and DL that he can find every time he runs the ball. He just enjoys being knocked silly so he always makes sure he has his shoulders square for the collision. If he has to go into the game for a play or two, make sure the stretcher is close by.

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4NCsAndCounting wrote: Architorture wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: ...he just doesn't take hits well either.

this is what I see as well. some guys are very good at avoiding the big squared-up hits. they turn their bodies at the last second, or they juke slightly or whatever, and its hard to square up on them. Jaybo doesnt seem to be one of these guys.That's a point I'll disagree on. I've seen Jaybo in several practices do a great job avoiding hits AND taking a pounding and jump right up like it was nothing.

I was there when the collarbone was broken and it was a flukish play where a lineman fell on him, wasn't even within contact of a play. It happens, ask Colt McCoy.

He's may not be Nesbitt tough but not many are.

Did you see the practice where he got the piss knocked out of him 3 times including suffering a concussion when his helmet flew off? Did you see the 08 Jax St where he got body slammed when he tried to sneak it across the goalline? The 08 Duke game where he suffered a concussion crossing the goalline? Or the 08 UGA game where he pretty much got slammed to the ground when there DT grabbed him with one arm and threw him to the ground? Of the 8 or 9 times I have seen him in extended action he has gotten killed pretty often. Do you think he could survive a 12 game schedule?

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Architorture wrote: injury reports don't lie. concussions and broken collarbone point to Jaybo being too small and/or fragile. I know injuries happen to even big strong guys, but those two specific injuries worry me for Jaybo's size and durability.

+1....and let me add: my own eyes point to Jaybo being too fragile. He gets tossed around like a rag doll. Babuka nailed it....he plays smaller than his size for some reason...he just doesn't take hits well either. That's why I still have hope for Jordan despite the similairites to Jaybo...and maybe he can pass better too.

Brees has nothing to do with Jaybo. This is just silly. Sorry BB...I don't know where your love fest of Jaybo comes from. Im sure he is a super nice guy and his family is great and all, but....people said the same thing about Gailey and that never stopped "us" from calling a duck a duck.

Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

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bleedgoldandwhite21 wrote: Peyton is the best in the league, you are insane if you say otherwise. Look at the 2008 year for proof.

1. Brady's backup Matt Cassel took his team to an 11-5 record. The team is stacked. Oh yah, Cassesl's last start had been a SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL!

2. Peyton Manning took a depleted running game, depleted WR core and carved an MVP year.

Look back at this past season:

Manning took the team with the WORST rushing attack to the SUPER BOWL! That is literally unheard of. The best defensive player on the team, Bob Sanders was out the whole year too.

Look at the game last night:

It wasn't Manning missing tackles. It wasn't Manning fumbling onside kick recoveries. Manning made one bad pass and all of sudden he's not a HOFer? What are you guys smoking? You do realize Sean Payton made that ridiculously stupid onside kick call because he was afraid of Manning! Manning's so good he forces coaches to call stupid calls. It happened earlier in the year when Belicheck went for it on 4th down in Indy. And don't tell me the onside kick call by Sean Payton was a great call, because it wasn't. Even though it worked, it was stupid. Even though going for it on 4th and 1 against Wake worked, it was still the worst call in CPJ's career at GT. I'm not one of those guys who think a play working automatically makes the call a good coaching decision. I'm also not one of those guys to put the full blame on a QB. Peyton Manning only attempted two passes in the 2nd quarter. Thats his defensives fault, not his. If Brady or Brees were on the 09 colts, they would have lost in the first round of the play-offs, if they even made it. Put Manning on Brady's Patriot teams and hes got Belicheck about 5 or 6 rings. Belichick even admitted they tried to run the Colts type offense where Brady called the plays like Peyton and it didn't work. Brady couldn't do it.

I agree 100% with everything you said except for the Paul Johnson bit. I wholeheartedly disagree that going for it there was a bad call. And I don't think that just because it worked. Even if we didnt make it, I support that call. The game is there for the taking, and you have a pretty high percentage chance of converting (although in that particular game up to that point it hadn't been). If you can't get less than a yard when the game is on the line, you don't deserve to win the game. Just as much can go wrong with a high pressure field goal as a QB sneak. One way gives you 1st and goal inside the 5 while the other way just prolongs the game to try and win later. At that point, I was VERY happy with the defense limiting them to 3 points and didnt think they'd be able to do it again. I think there's a difference between being a MAN and taking what's yours and making an awful call.

As for the onside kick, I think that was a bad call, but not as bad as I originally thought. The main reason I thought it was bad was because of how low of a percentage play it was, and what the possible outcomes would be. Although I've backed off on how bad of a call I thought it was after reading about how they based it off of some film they watched with the front guys cheating and leaving to set up their blocks early. Still a pretty bad call though.

Here's how I'd sum up the two calls with my estimation of success...

GT 4th and less than 1:
QB sneak       %Convert: 80%     Outcome: 1st and goal inside the 5, prime position to win.
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~22yd FG      %Convert: 90%     Outcome: Advance to next overtime period, try to get another defensive stop and complete another successful drive

Saints Onside:
Onside           %Convert: 10%     Outcome: Regain possession at own 40 (and risk giving opponent possession on 40)

To me, I don't see how the GT call is "bad." If it was like 4th and 5, then yeah, that would be closer to bad because the chance of actually converting is not high enough to justify putting everything on the line with that one play. I'm personally OK with having a coach that's not afraid to fight for wins, not just take the super conservative route and hope our team being "better" eventually gets us the win.

Sorry if that was a little off-topic, but I just completely disagree with that assessment. Regarding Jaybo, I think his size is OK to run the offense. But he does need to be able to take a beating, and be a threat with his legs. I like to see a guy that, when he does have to keep it, can make the first guy miss and get some extra yards. I think a big difference between him and Josh is fighting for yardage. Hard to really judge because I havent seen him play a good amount for a while. But he's gotta be willing to fight for yards, not just take what's available everytime. If there's great blocking, sure he'll be fine. Otherwise, meh.

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Jiggymang wrote:
bleedgoldandwhite21 wrote: Peyton is the best in the league, you are insane if you say otherwise. Look at the 2008 year for proof.

1. Brady's backup Matt Cassel took his team to an 11-5 record. The team is stacked. Oh yah, Cassesl's last start had been a SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL!

2. Peyton Manning took a depleted running game, depleted WR core and carved an MVP year.

Look back at this past season:

Manning took the team with the WORST rushing attack to the SUPER BOWL! That is literally unheard of. The best defensive player on the team, Bob Sanders was out the whole year too.

Look at the game last night:

It wasn't Manning missing tackles. It wasn't Manning fumbling onside kick recoveries. Manning made one bad pass and all of sudden he's not a HOFer? What are you guys smoking? You do realize Sean Payton made that ridiculously stupid onside kick call because he was afraid of Manning! Manning's so good he forces coaches to call stupid calls. It happened earlier in the year when Belicheck went for it on 4th down in Indy. And don't tell me the onside kick call by Sean Payton was a great call, because it wasn't. Even though it worked, it was stupid. Even though going for it on 4th and 1 against Wake worked, it was still the worst call in CPJ's career at GT. I'm not one of those guys who think a play working automatically makes the call a good coaching decision. I'm also not one of those guys to put the full blame on a QB. Peyton Manning only attempted two passes in the 2nd quarter. Thats his defensives fault, not his. If Brady or Brees were on the 09 colts, they would have lost in the first round of the play-offs, if they even made it. Put Manning on Brady's Patriot teams and hes got Belicheck about 5 or 6 rings. Belichick even admitted they tried to run the Colts type offense where Brady called the plays like Peyton and it didn't work. Brady couldn't do it.

I agree 100% with everything you said except for the Paul Johnson bit. I wholeheartedly disagree that going for it there was a bad call. And I don't think that just because it worked. Even if we didnt make it, I support that call. The game is there for the taking, and you have a pretty high percentage chance of converting (although in that particular game up to that point it hadn't been). If you can't get less than a yard when the game is on the line, you don't deserve to win the game. Just as much can go wrong with a high pressure field goal as a QB sneak. One way gives you 1st and goal inside the 5 while the other way just prolongs the game to try and win later. At that point, I was VERY happy with the defense limiting them to 3 points and didnt think they'd be able to do it again. I think there's a difference between being a MAN and taking what's yours and making an awful call.

As for the onside kick, I think that was a bad call, but not as bad as I originally thought. The main reason I thought it was bad was because of how low of a percentage play it was, and what the possible outcomes would be. Although I've backed off on how bad of a call I thought it was after reading about how they based it off of some film they watched with the front guys cheating and leaving to set up their blocks early. Still a pretty bad call though.

Here's how I'd sum up the two calls with my estimation of success...

GT 4th and less than 1:
QB sneak       %Convert: 80%     Outcome: 1st and goal inside the 5, prime position to win.
or
~22yd FG      %Convert: 90%     Outcome: Advance to next overtime period, try to get another defensive stop and complete another successful drive

Saints Onside:
Onside           %Convert: 10%     Outcome: Regain possession at own 40 (and risk giving opponent possession on 40)

To me, I don't see how the GT call is "bad." If it was like 4th and 5, then yeah, that would be closer to bad because the chance of actually converting is not high enough to justify putting everything on the line with that one play. I'm personally OK with having a coach that's not afraid to fight for wins, not just take the super conservative route and hope our team being "better" eventually gets us the win.

Sorry if that was a little off-topic, but I just completely disagree with that assessment. Regarding Jaybo, I think his size is OK to run the offense. But he does need to be able to take a beating, and be a threat with his legs. I like to see a guy that, when he does have to keep it, can make the first guy miss and get some extra yards. I think a big difference between him and Josh is fighting for yardage. Hard to really judge because I havent seen him play a good amount for a while. But he's gotta be willing to fight for yards, not just take what's available everytime. If there's great blocking, sure he'll be fine. Otherwise, meh.

Ha Ha, the CPJ vs Wake was quite a bit of a stretch. I was just a little upset about how everyone's down on Peyton Manning. The first thing that came to mind when we didn't get the first against Wake on 3rd down was "go for it" lol I still believe Sean Peyton's call was dumb, but the CPJ thing was my anger getting the best of me.

Easily my favorite call of CPJ's career

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4NCsAndCounting wrote: Architorture wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: ...he just doesn't take hits well either.

this is what I see as well. some guys are very good at avoiding the big squared-up hits. they turn their bodies at the last second, or they juke slightly or whatever, and its hard to square up on them. Jaybo doesnt seem to be one of these guys.That's a point I'll disagree on. I've seen Jaybo in several practices do a great job avoiding hits AND taking a pounding and jump right up like it was nothing.

I was there when the collarbone was broken and it was a flukish play where a lineman fell on him, wasn't even within contact of a play. It happens, ask Colt McCoy.

He's may not be Nesbitt tough but not many are.

Did you see the practice where he got the piss knocked out of him 3 times including suffering a concussion when his helmet flew off? Did you see the 08 Jax St where he got body slammed when he tried to sneak it across the goalline? The 08 Duke game where he suffered a concussion crossing the goalline? Or the 08 UGA game where he pretty much got slammed to the ground when there DT grabbed him with one arm and threw him to the ground? Of the 8 or 9 times I have seen him in extended action he has gotten killed pretty often. Do you think he could survive a 12 game schedule?

Dang, even I forgot about some of that.

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Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

Strained Hammy's/groins and sprained ankles aren't anywhere near multiple concussions and broken bones.

I never said anything about Brees.

Drew Brees got sacked ONE TIME, it was the only time he got hit the entire game!...our QB can get hit 20+ times a game carrying the ball. Brees and the NFL QBs make their living THROWING THE BALL. If New Orleans ran the option he would not be their QB. Manning got hit a whopping 3 times. Comparing a triple option QB to a pocket passing QB that has 40+ attempts a game is no comparison at all. You're reaching big time.

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Double B wrote:

Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

Strained Hammy's/groins and sprained ankles aren't anywhere near multiple concussions and broken bones.

I never said anything about Brees.

Drew Brees got sacked ONE TIME, it was the only time he got hit the entire game!...our QB can get hit 20+ times a game carrying the ball. Brees and the NFL QBs make their living THROWING THE BALL. If New Orleans ran the option he would not be their QB. Manning got hit a whopping 3 times. Comparing a triple option QB to a pocket passing QB that has 40+ attempts a game is no comparison at all. You're reaching big time.
Josh had surgery, don't you remember? Damn dude, your memory going already?

Couple years ago there were only 2 starting QBs that played in every game in the NFL. That's how tough it is physically to play in the NFL. You see QB starters all the time play every game in college.

Lot of QBs get hurt with all sorts of injuries then bounce back and have productive careers. Injuries are oftentimes circumstance and/or bad luck. Paul Johnson answered a lot of questions about whether Josh would stay healthy and he has although there was a surgery in there that got him back on the field. Didn't know that, huh.. guess it was just inside info.

Jaybo hasn't needed a major invasive procedure to return to the field. Arguably Josh's injury was worse than anything Jaybo has suffered.

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Double B wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Architorture wrote: injury reports don't lie. concussions and broken collarbone point to Jaybo being too small and/or fragile. I know injuries happen to even big strong guys, but those two specific injuries worry me for Jaybo's size and durability.

+1....and let me add: my own eyes point to Jaybo being too fragile. He gets tossed around like a rag doll. Babuka nailed it....he plays smaller than his size for some reason...he just doesn't take hits well either. That's why I still have hope for Jordan despite the similairites to Jaybo...and maybe he can pass better too.

Brees has nothing to do with Jaybo. This is just silly. Sorry BB...I don't know where your love fest of Jaybo comes from. Im sure he is a super nice guy and his family is great and all, but....people said the same thing about Gailey and that never stopped "us" from calling a duck a duck.

Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

sprained ankles are a little different than concussions and broken collarbones. sprained ankles don't come from getting the piss knocked out of you. they are, most of the time, a "single vehicle accident." The fact that Josh needed surgery doesn;t change the fact of how the injury originated, which was not by getting the piss knocked out of him.

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Architorture wrote:
sprained ankles are a little different than concussions and broken collarbones.

I tried this already but he doesn't seem to agree.

And Josh was the leading ball carrier on the team last year! So he gets a little slack for being beat up. I wonder what condition Jaybo would be in after 279 carries/hits...which is the 8th most in all of college football.

I just don't see Jaybo as being in the same league phyisically or as durable as the people on this list:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts

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Architorture wrote: Double B wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Architorture wrote: injury reports don't lie. concussions and broken collarbone point to Jaybo being too small and/or fragile. I know injuries happen to even big strong guys, but those two specific injuries worry me for Jaybo's size and durability.

+1....and let me add: my own eyes point to Jaybo being too fragile. He gets tossed around like a rag doll. Babuka nailed it....he plays smaller than his size for some reason...he just doesn't take hits well either. That's why I still have hope for Jordan despite the similairites to Jaybo...and maybe he can pass better too.

Brees has nothing to do with Jaybo. This is just silly. Sorry BB...I don't know where your love fest of Jaybo comes from. Im sure he is a super nice guy and his family is great and all, but....people said the same thing about Gailey and that never stopped "us" from calling a duck a duck.

Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

sprained ankles are a little different than concussions and broken collarbones.Jaybo may not be the perfect physical specimen for qb at GT, but citing "concussions" and "broken collarbones" as evidence is ludicrous. First, you'd be hard pressed to find a college football player anywhere who hasn't suffered a concussion at some point in their football playing days, many go undiagnosed. Also, the likelyhood of suffering additional concussions goes sharply up after suffering the initial one. Thirdly, Jaybo's broken collarbone was a freak accident that happened when a lineman fell on him after the play! Why can't you people get that through your heads? If he had slammed his hand in a car door you'd say he wasn't tough enough to play college football. Btw, broken collarbones are a common injuries suffered by many different positions in football.

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dressedcheeseside wrote: Jaybo may not be the perfect physical specimen for qb at GT, but citing "concussions" and "broken collarbones" as evidence is ludicrous. First, you'd be hard pressed to find a college football player anywhere who hasn't suffered a concussion at some point in their football playing days, many go undiagnosed. Also, the likelyhood of suffering additional concussions goes sharply up after suffering the initial one. Thirdly, Jaybo's broken collarbone was a freak accident that happened when a lineman fell on him after the play! Why can't you people get that through your heads? If he had slammed his hand in a car door you'd say he wasn't tough enough to play college football. Btw, broken collarbones are a common injuries suffered by many different positions in football.

Freak accident...blah blah blah....everybody gets concussions...blah blah blah....Just imagine how many "freak accidents" and "normal concussions" Jaybo would have if he actually played.

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dressedcheeseside wrote: Architorture wrote: Double B wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Architorture wrote: injury reports don't lie. concussions and broken collarbone point to Jaybo being too small and/or fragile. I know injuries happen to even big strong guys, but those two specific injuries worry me for Jaybo's size and durability.

+1....and let me add: my own eyes point to Jaybo being too fragile. He gets tossed around like a rag doll. Babuka nailed it....he plays smaller than his size for some reason...he just doesn't take hits well either. That's why I still have hope for Jordan despite the similairites to Jaybo...and maybe he can pass better too.

Brees has nothing to do with Jaybo. This is just silly. Sorry BB...I don't know where your love fest of Jaybo comes from. Im sure he is a super nice guy and his family is great and all, but....people said the same thing about Gailey and that never stopped "us" from calling a duck a duck.

Josh was hurt every spring and fall and every season until this past year. There was major questions on whether he was injury prone and would stay healthy long enough to play the position coming into this season. He was an injury waiting to happen his first 2 years at Tech. Same durability questions about Josh coming into the year as Jaybo. Helluva, you forget that?

Helluva, conventional wisdom is that Brees is too small to take the hits in the NFL, too small to see over the linemen. That is what guys like you said about Brees. You were dead ass wrong.

The bottom line is this: if a guy Brees' size can take the pounding in the NFL when NFL size linemen and linebackers are flying at you like missiles from your blind side then a guy Jaybo's size can play in the whimpy ACC. But I don't expect many of you to understand that 'cause few if any follow the NFL very closely. You are strictly college guys and don't understand the NFL and the physical requirements of the QB position at that level so like Helluva so you are speaking from purely conjecture.

sprained ankles are a little different than concussions and broken collarbones.Jaybo may not be the perfect physical specimen for qb at GT, but citing "concussions" and "broken collarbones" as evidence is ludicrous. First, you'd be hard pressed to find a college football player anywhere who hasn't suffered a concussion at some point in their football playing days, many go undiagnosed. Also, the likelyhood of suffering additional concussions goes sharply up after suffering the initial one. Thirdly, Jaybo's broken collarbone was a freak accident that happened when a lineman fell on him after the play! Why can't you people get that through your heads? If he had slammed his hand in a car door you'd say he wasn't tough enough to play college football. Btw, broken collarbones are a common injuries suffered by many different positions in football.

well his must have been bad enough to get diagnosed...

and I wonder if Josh has ever had a lineman fall on him...

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well his must have been bad enough to get diagnosed...

and I wonder if Josh has ever had a lineman fall on him...

:biglaugha

Poor Jaybo...he should give Greg Oden a call...seriously...his Playing time vs. Injury % is absolutely terrible.

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Well, I am curious about Shaw playing "smaller than his size." I don't recall any instance when he did not perform when thrown into the game, either to start when Nesbitt was hurt for a couple of games in 08, or to fill in for a couple of plays (Georgia, 08) or to play in a runaway (Duke, 09.) Against Duke, particularly, maybe because i was there to see it firsthand, he displayed a lot of elusiveness, getting away from Duke tacklers three times to run for gains on busted pass plays, as well as a good head in not throwing the ball into coverage before running. As much as I love Nesbitt, it is a lesson he should learn. And remember that Nesbitt does not run over people. He manages to his great credit to get his shoulders into small cracks to nudge out a couple of yards when nobody thought they were there. I dunno, but I think any of the redshirts or incoming QBs will have their hands full moving ahead of him on the roster. We're lucky to have the guy, and Johnson knows it.

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yeah that's the one and only portion of Jaybo's game that I want Josh to take. Shaw takes the 4 yard gain when the big pass play on the rollout doesn't seem to be there, I don't think I've ever seen Josh scramble for a quick pickup on a passing play. He throws the ball nearly every time even if the chance for a completed pass is close to 0.

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Sharecropper wrote: Well, I am curious about Shaw playing "smaller than his size." I don't recall any instance when he did not perform when thrown into the game, either to start when Nesbitt was hurt for a couple of games in 08, or to fill in for a couple of plays (Georgia, 08) or to play in a runaway (Duke, 09.) Against Duke, particularly, maybe because i was there to see it firsthand, he displayed a lot of elusiveness, getting away from Duke tacklers three times to run for gains on busted pass plays, as well as a good head in not throwing the ball into coverage before running. As much as I love Nesbitt, it is a lesson he should learn. And remember that Nesbitt does not run over people. He manages to his great credit to get his shoulders into small cracks to nudge out a couple of yards when nobody thought they were there. I dunno, but I think any of the redshirts or incoming QBs will have their hands full moving ahead of him on the roster. We're lucky to have the guy, and Johnson knows it.

Honestly, I doubt anybody will jump him this year either. I think CPJ has a comfort level with him that he just can't have with any of the other backups at this point....Hopefully with 2 cupcakes on the schedule, we can get 1 or 2 of the RS guys some PT to see how they handle it...maybe one of them can create a comfort level with CPJ similiar to what Jaybo has.

All I know is that I will be going into deep depression mode if Jaybo is the starter in 2011. It will be our equivalent of the Tereshenski - Stafford debacle ...or even better: the Cox - ??? debate this year....nobody likes a mediocre Sr. QB starting his first and last year when the future is on the sideline and everybody knows it.

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: dressedcheeseside wrote: Jaybo may not be the perfect physical specimen for qb at GT, but citing "concussions" and "broken collarbones" as evidence is ludicrous. First, you'd be hard pressed to find a college football player anywhere who hasn't suffered a concussion at some point in their football playing days, many go undiagnosed. Also, the likelyhood of suffering additional concussions goes sharply up after suffering the initial one. Thirdly, Jaybo's broken collarbone was a freak accident that happened when a lineman fell on him after the play! Why can't you people get that through your heads? If he had slammed his hand in a car door you'd say he wasn't tough enough to play college football. Btw, broken collarbones are a common injuries suffered by many different positions in football.

Freak accident...blah blah blah....everybody gets concussions...blah blah blah....Just imagine how many "freak accidents" and "normal concussions" Jaybo would have if he actually played.
Just think how much credibility your thoughts on our football team would have if you put down the cigarettes and beer for a few afternoons and actually came down to some practices. You can't understand a lot of things that go on sitting on your couch eating Doritos. If you think you can then you are delusional.

:biglaugha

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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Sharecropper wrote: Well, I am curious about Shaw playing "smaller than his size." I don't recall any instance when he did not perform when thrown into the game, either to start when Nesbitt was hurt for a couple of games in 08, or to fill in for a couple of plays (Georgia, 08) or to play in a runaway (Duke, 09.) Against Duke, particularly, maybe because i was there to see it firsthand, he displayed a lot of elusiveness, getting away from Duke tacklers three times to run for gains on busted pass plays, as well as a good head in not throwing the ball into coverage before running. As much as I love Nesbitt, it is a lesson he should learn. And remember that Nesbitt does not run over people. He manages to his great credit to get his shoulders into small cracks to nudge out a couple of yards when nobody thought they were there. I dunno, but I think any of the redshirts or incoming QBs will have their hands full moving ahead of him on the roster. We're lucky to have the guy, and Johnson knows it.

Honestly, I doubt anybody will jump him this year either. I think CPJ has a comfort level with him that he just can't have with any of the other backups at this point....Hopefully with 2 cupcakes on the schedule, we can get 1 or 2 of the RS guys some PT to see how they handle it...maybe one of them can create a comfort level with CPJ similiar to what Jaybo has.

All I know is that I will be going into deep depression mode if Jaybo is the starter in 2011. It will be our equivalent of the Tereshenski - Stafford debacle ...or even better: the Cox - ??? debate this year....nobody likes a mediocre Sr. QB starting his first and last year when the future is on the sideline and everybody knows it.

Jordan Luallen suffered a high ankle sprain his first scrimmage and was out for 6 weeks. FIRST SCRIMMAGE. Guess he's injury prone and we need to write him off too, huh?

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When Game Day was at LSU they had Drew Brees on as the celeb game picker. Drew picked Tech to win that day because he love the Option. Turns out that he was an Option QB in HS.

Jaybo has a future.

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