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 Posted: Sun Feb 7th, 2010 10:07 pm
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phatman30318 wrote: buzzed02 wrote: phatman30318 wrote:
I'm expecting 8-4 and will be OK with it (not happy, but not disappointed). I just think our defense is likely to improve only marginally if at all and Josh cannot carry the entire offense.
Josh carry the offense? We will have improved OL play, and we are loaded with Rbs. IMO the biggest loss by far will be #8. Since Josh threw the vast majority off passes to DT in 2009 we have no "proven" #1 reciever. However, we do have some young talent at WR and I expect Josh will have no choice but to find some different guys with bebe playing on Sundays. It might even help our passing game if we start spreading the ball around more. Josh made good progress in the offense this year. Maybe 2010 is the year he starts looking to second and third reciever. And maybe the OL will finally be good enough to give him time to do so.
You made my point for me. This year Josh will have to carry the load almost entirely on offense. Sure the RBs are good this year, but who has to get it to them? That's on Josh. Without BayBay around to throw lob passes and turn 5 yard hitch plays into 75 yard TDs where's our credible passing threat - that's what I mean by Josh having to carry the load. Success this year will hinge on Josh actually being able to throw on a consistent basis, we won't have the same type of physical presence on the outside and while I think Hill is going to be dynamic I don't think he'll match BayBay's production.

Let me disagree.  Success will be based on Nesbitt getting better (more consistant) on his option reads.  If he makes 90% of his reads the offense will work and win with or without him improving in the passing game.

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zhavenor wrote: phatman30318 wrote: buzzed02 wrote: phatman30318 wrote:
I'm expecting 8-4 and will be OK with it (not happy, but not disappointed). I just think our defense is likely to improve only marginally if at all and Josh cannot carry the entire offense.
Josh carry the offense? We will have improved OL play, and we are loaded with Rbs. IMO the biggest loss by far will be #8. Since Josh threw the vast majority off passes to DT in 2009 we have no "proven" #1 reciever. However, we do have some young talent at WR and I expect Josh will have no choice but to find some different guys with bebe playing on Sundays. It might even help our passing game if we start spreading the ball around more. Josh made good progress in the offense this year. Maybe 2010 is the year he starts looking to second and third reciever. And maybe the OL will finally be good enough to give him time to do so.
You made my point for me. This year Josh will have to carry the load almost entirely on offense. Sure the RBs are good this year, but who has to get it to them? That's on Josh. Without BayBay around to throw lob passes and turn 5 yard hitch plays into 75 yard TDs where's our credible passing threat - that's what I mean by Josh having to carry the load. Success this year will hinge on Josh actually being able to throw on a consistent basis, we won't have the same type of physical presence on the outside and while I think Hill is going to be dynamic I don't think he'll match BayBay's production.

Let me disagree.  Success will be based on Nesbitt getting better (more consistant) on his option reads.  If he makes 90% of his reads the offense will work and win with or without him improving in the passing game.

I guess we'll have to disagree then because I don't think the option will work well enough for us to not lose more than 4 games without a credible passing attack. 8 wins (possibly 9) yes, more than that I don't think so.

By the way, why does everyone think Nesbitt is so bad on the option reads? I don't think he's missing that many...

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phatman30318 wrote:
I guess we'll have to disagree then because I don't think the option will work well enough for us to not lose more than 4 games without a credible passing attack. 8 wins (possibly 9) yes, more than that I don't think so.

By the way, why does everyone think Nesbitt is so bad on the option reads? I don't think he's missing that many...


I think that people are still highly critical of Nesbitt's reads because he was not very good in that department in 08.  I agree that his reads have gotten much better, and he didn't miss nearly as many toward the end of 09. 

I think that our improved OL play in 2010 will make the option run much more smoothly. And if we're executing the option at a high level, teams will have to respect that and will cheat up more to account for it.  That will help to open up the passing game more than last year. Also, we had a lot of dropped balls from our ABs in 2009.  Hopefully, by adding Jackson who is a converted WR, we can execute more of the AB passes, openning up the field even more for Stephen Hill and Co. Bebe is a great WR and so replacing his production is a concern. However, this is a team sport and CPJ knows how to tweek his offense for the players he has available. Barring unforseen injuries, this team should win no fewer than 10 games.



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Offense less dynamic in points and Time Of Poss,even more threat for Josh injury results.
Def marginally better ,only because it couldn't get much worse.
Overall 8-4 hopefully,then Maybe win a weak bowl.

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GTCrew4 wrote: I would be disappointed if we did not repeat as ACC Champions.
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buzzed02 wrote: phatman30318 wrote:
I guess we'll have to disagree then because I don't think the option will work well enough for us to not lose more than 4 games without a credible passing attack. 8 wins (possibly 9) yes, more than that I don't think so.

By the way, why does everyone think Nesbitt is so bad on the option reads? I don't think he's missing that many...


I think that people are still highly critical of Nesbitt's reads because he was not very good in that department in 08.  I agree that his reads have gotten much better, and he didn't miss nearly as many toward the end of 09. 

I think that our improved OL play in 2010 will make the option run much more smoothly. And if we're executing the option at a high level, teams will have to respect that and will cheat up more to account for it.  That will help to open up the passing game more than last year. Also, we had a lot of dropped balls from our ABs in 2009.  Hopefully, by adding Jackson who is a converted WR, we can execute more of the AB passes, openning up the field even more for Stephen Hill and Co. Bebe is a great WR and so replacing his production is a concern. However, this is a team sport and CPJ knows how to tweek his offense for the players he has available. Barring unforseen injuries, this team should win no fewer than 10 games.

I think our OL may be better, but we're not going to all of a sudden be world beaters on that front (but we weren't bad on the OL last year anyway).  Last I heard was that Jackson was being moved back to WR (who knows for sure). Additionally, there were drops by the Abacks, but there were more passes sailed over their heads than drops in my opinion. That's the part that has to get better. Additionally, Nesbitt was up and down in his ability to even get the ball to BayBay. A lot of those yards to BayBay were generated solely by BayBay - something we might get from Hill, might not and definitely won't get by any other receiver that I've seen play. I'm just very skeptical that we won't see a pretty noticeable drop in total offensive production and without greatly improved defense that translates into a few more losses.

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Well if VT can consistantly get 10 wins per season for how long? Maybe 10 seasons or more? Why the heck can't we? Why should we expect less with comparable talent and coaching, and playing against the same competition? I'm sure that many of you will say that we cannot get comparable talent as VT and that VT is an emerging football factory, but I think we can hang with them wrt talent, and we certainly have a comparable or better coaching staff.

They pull off 10 a year, so can we.

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GT-Nuke wrote: Well if VT can consistantly get 10 wins per season for how long? Maybe 10 seasons or more? Why the heck can't we? Why should we expect less with comparable talent and coaching, and playing against the same competition? I'm sure that many of you will say that we cannot get comparable talent as VT and that VT is an emerging football factory, but I think we can hang with them wrt talent, and we certainly have a comparable or better coaching staff.

They pull off 10 a year, so can we.


VT
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North Carolina
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Virginia

[code]VT has 4 challenging games on their schedule, the rest are gimme's.  I'd say we have 6 challenges with rest gimme's.

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It is way to early to say for me. Sure the team is fielding a new defensive scheme and lost four of it's top players, but next year is a new year. Tech could be even better than this year. I would personally be able to better answer this question closer to Aug/Sept. I really expect the defense to be better. The key is can the offense be as potent without JD and Thomas? I think they can. Allen should fill JD's shoes pretty well and it's not like Hill can't step up and at least fill some of that void as a receiver. Plus, injuries, new guys stepping up. Way to early to say. I am excited at the possibilities though.

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Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...



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Jiggymang wrote: Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...
Also kinda sucks having the last image of Jon Dwyer in your memory running backwards and getting tackled for a 15 yard loss and Derrick Morgan getting beat for a first down by a gimpy, white QB.:(

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Jiggymang wrote:
Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...

I hear that! I want 2 wins from our 2010 yellow jackets--Georgia and the orange bowl! Go jackets! THWG!



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dressedcheeseside wrote:
Jiggymang wrote: Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...
Also kinda sucks having the last image of Jon Dwyer in your memory running backwards and getting tackled for a 15 yard loss and Derrick Morgan getting beat for a first down by a gimpy, white QB.:(


Couldn't agree with you two more! If I put the bowl game in the mix, we need to go 10-3 with a win vs UGA and a win in the bowl for me to be happy! You know what, if we went 9-4 with a win vs UGA and in the bowl I'd be happy.



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Anything under 10 wins be a disappointment. Everyone keeps hollering about the impact of losing Baybay and Dwyer on offense. We will do a 2-for-1 to replace Baybay production with Hill/Melton or Hill/Jackson. this will help Nesbitt tremendously. And this offense is built to run. It does not rebuild it reloads. Have you ever seen Texas Tech slow due the departure of a key player? So AA will do well and so will the other stable of backs.

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S.Jacket wrote: Anything under 10 wins be a disappointment. Everyone keeps hollering about the impact of losing Baybay and Dwyer on offense. We will do a 2-for-1 to replace Baybay production with Hill/Melton or Hill/Jackson. this will help Nesbitt tremendously. And this offense is built to run. It does not rebuild it reloads. Have you ever seen Texas Tech slow due the departure of a key player? So AA will do well and so will the other stable of backs.
I agree.  Especially on the WR point. Losing an impact player like Bebe hurts, but this is afterall a "spread" offense. So it stands to reason that if we "spread" the ball around to more WRs instead of relying on one go-to guy, the spread aspect of our offense would be strengthened. That being said, we still need Nesbitt to look to a 2nd or 3rd reciever if the first guy is covered, but if we can get 2 or 3 guys to replace Bebe's production, we'll be in great shape.



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bleedgoldandwhite21 wrote: After losing our 4 best players, getting a brand new D-Coordinator with a brand new system and getting a bunch of new talent from recruiting, next season is pretty much up in the air. Some people are very optimistic thinking we'll compete for the ACC championship again, while others think the sky is falling and are preparing for a 7-5 record. I simply have to ask, for you personally, what is the WORST we can do and you NOT be disappointed?
I realize we all get a little disappointed after every loss, but you get what I mean.

I'd be happy with a 9-3 record AND a win against UGA. That sounds very good to me considering the circumstances. Looking at our schedule, I think its very possible. 8-4 to me would be quite disappointing, as would 9-3 with another loss to UGA. After a season where we were easily favored, but lost to them, I simply will not accept a loss to UGA this year. Obviously anything above 9-3 with a win against UGA would thrill me, but that would be the worst we can do without me calling it a disappointing season.

If we go 9-3 and lose to Georgia we should start the search committee before the team gets back from Athens.

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BossRoss90 wrote: worst we can do and still be happy in my opinion is 8-4 regular season with a win over the mutts. If that were to happen the only games I could see us losing would be unc, clemson, miami and vpi. I really do not see that happening. I can't see us losing against any of the following:
mtsu
scst
ncst
duke
kansas
uva
wake

I also can't see us losing to more than 2 from unc, vpi, miami and clemson. I feel that we're looking at atleast 9 wins in the regular season whether we beat georgie or not, but I won't consider it successful unless we beat the mutts.

Again, I could live with 8-4 if we beat georgie, but i think our most likely scenerio is probably 10-2 with a win over the mutts, or 9-3 with a loss to them. If we go 10-2, our losses will be from the ACC and I really don't see vpi losing more than 2 games in the ACC, so if they beat us in Bburg, they'll go to the title game and win.

That game is going to be epic.....with a 10 day build up, a meeting of likley top 10 teams, and a Sr. QB battle between Nesbitt and Taylor on a Thursday night at one of the toughest stadiums in the country.


Boss, I am witchya except, be realistic---6-6 and beating Georgia would still make for a fine offseason.

That said, I am surprised that 8 wins have been mentioned as satisfactory by a lot of people.  How do we go 9 wins, then 11 wins and backslide into a coziness with 8 wins??  I don't think that will happen, and I certainly don't think CPJ would be happy with that.  This thing is already rolling downhill with very few "Johnson recruits".    Twenty wins in two years while still behind the learning curve.   Yes, I know the meat of the 2007 class just bolted, but some of that 2007 talent remains and will be in the third year of their indoctrination.  We have four of five POTENTIALLY valuable fill-ins coming from last year's true and RS freshmen, and we just might have one or two genuine game changers coming in the 2010 freshman class.  And we have a boatload of talent and experience returning from a conference championship team.  I personally think the offense will be BETTER, but even if it is static or slightly down from 2009, the offensive line, overall defense, and special teams will be improved.  The overall team will be faster, deeper, and better.  I said I'd drink the Kool-aid if CPJ brought us 29 wins at the end of 2010.  I think that's a lock.  I think the 2010 model of the Ramblin' Wreck is going to be a very good football team.  To be satisfactory for me means 10-2, beating Georgia and winning the division again.   I suppose the Holy Grail has become beat Georgia, win the ACC, and win the BCS Bowl all in the same year.   A bit higher than David Braine's aim, eh?

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dressedcheeseside wrote: Jiggymang wrote: Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...
Also kinda sucks having the last image of Jon Dwyer in your memory running backwards and getting tackled for a 15 yard loss and Derrick Morgan getting beat for a first down by a gimpy, white QB.:(

Might I add Demaryius Thomas going all butterfingers in the clutch against a so-so Georgia team on our turf?

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Yukonwreck wrote: dressedcheeseside wrote: Jiggymang wrote: Can we just win the damn bowl game?! Friggin A. I'm sick of going out on a sour note EVERY year. I'd take a beatdown of Syracuse in the Champs Sports Bowl right now lol. It's hard to be excited about a year when your most recent memory is a beatdown in the bowl game. Not saying we didnt have good years recently, but damn, it really hurts to go 9 months with that awful taste in your mouth...
Also kinda sucks having the last image of Jon Dwyer in your memory running backwards and getting tackled for a 15 yard loss and Derrick Morgan getting beat for a first down by a gimpy, white QB.:(

Might I add Demaryius Thomas going all butterfingers in the clutch against a so-so Georgia team on our turf?

I'll never be able to forget that effing play. Losing to the mutts sucks enough when they actually have the better team.  At home, against a clearly inferior team, after they PURPOSELY rolled Josh under the pile--that was an all-time horrible loss.



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buzzed02 wrote: S.Jacket wrote: Anything under 10 wins be a disappointment. Everyone keeps hollering about the impact of losing Baybay and Dwyer on offense. We will do a 2-for-1 to replace Baybay production with Hill/Melton or Hill/Jackson. this will help Nesbitt tremendously. And this offense is built to run. It does not rebuild it reloads. Have you ever seen Texas Tech slow due the departure of a key player? So AA will do well and so will the other stable of backs.
I agree.  Especially on the WR point. Losing an impact player like Bebe hurts, but this is afterall a "spread" offense. So it stands to reason that if we "spread" the ball around to more WRs instead of relying on one go-to guy, the spread aspect of our offense would be strengthened. That being said, we still need Nesbitt to look to a 2nd or 3rd reciever if the first guy is covered, but if we can get 2 or 3 guys to replace Bebe's production, we'll be in great shape.

The only reason Demaryius Thomas got a lot of balls thrown his way, was it was an "easy A".  We will run more this year in situations where we would have taken a high per centage pass last year.  If Nesbitt can improve his accuracy some, we may have as dangerous a passing game as we had with Thomas---just more varied as you have pointed out.  We certainly are going to lose the big play capability that Baybay provided, but overall we may not miss him very much as a receiver.  His blocking will be missed, but hopefully our WR will be coached in that direction.  I think we will morph into a more controlled OBS attack with more sustained drives (greater time of possession) and fewer big scoring plays.  Overall that may benefit a new defense that is certain to have some growing pains.

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