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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 04:21 pm
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A healthy, more devloped Josh is the difference in championship caliber offense and top 25 offense IMO. But, Jaybo has my confidence that he can beat Miami tonight. His one drive against UNC was very, very good - cut short by a mile of penalties, yet we still got close to getting the first down. If Josh isn't healthy, Jaybo is a fine option for us. If Josh continues to develop and can stay healthy, he will be one of the best option QB's ever. If Jaybo puts on some serious muscle, then he has that chance as well.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 04:27 pm
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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.


True, but a big difference between Gailey's offense and PJ's offense is that PJ's offense is very unique, a niche of its own.  It is not a bread and butter typical offense that we've all seen our whole lives.  Its very easy to evaluate a QB in a pro-style offense because everybody knows what to look for.  PJ's offense is a different story.

I could watch Reggie play and say what he was doing wrong very easily, its almost all passing problems.  It is much harder to watch Nesbitt play and say that he is doing something wrong because of all the different reads, called keepers, the abysmal blocking by the OL, etc...hopefully with time I'll have a good eye for this offense and its qb's, but I just can't say right now because this offense is so new to me. 

Basially the QB in this offense is unlike anything must of us have ever seen before, so its hard to evaluate the position, at least for me, so until I get a could handle on this offense, I'm deferring to the guy that has been running it for 20+ years.

Thats 'cause you are young, helluva.  Back in the day half the teams ran option offenses like this one.  Go to high school games or watch the Friday night games on CSS, many of the high schools run this offense.

Don't defer to anybody about anything, always question.  You don't know a damn thing about what the President does, not really yet you will question Obama daily.  You read a few magazines and some online blogs and have an opinion about everything political yet in reality you know very little in the grand scop yet you question.  Why is football any different?  

What is it about Tech fans that they love to get on their knees for their coaches?  I half expect to go down to Yellow Jacket Alley and see the Tech fans genuflecting as PJ walks by.  LOL!



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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 04:34 pm
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Double B wrote:
Thats 'cause you are young, helluva.  Back in the day half the teams ran option offenses like this one.  Go to high school games or watch the Friday night games on CSS, many of the high schools run this offense.


Ahh..true.  But we did run this offense in HS, but I was the BBack, so I wasn't too concerned with the reads the QB was making, just whether or not he was giving me the ball.

I guess I was trying to say that it is a lot easier to bitch about and evaluate a QB in a typical offense because all there is to evaluate is their passing, which is pretty easy to do.  Its much harder to evaluate a QB whose reads mostly consist of reading the blocking and lineman, at least without going back and watching tape.  And even then its hard to know exactly what the playcall was (a called keeper or a called give for instance).  There seems to be a huge gray area...but there was nothing gray about Nesbitt's poor reads against UNC...PITCH THE BALL!

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Think I typed this in after you responded so you may not have read it, Helluva.  What is your opinion on this:

Don't defer to anybody about anything, always question.  You don't know a damn thing about what the President does, not really yet you will question Obama daily.  You read a few magazines and some online blogs and have an opinion about everything political yet in reality you know very little in the grand scop yet you question.  Why is football any different?  

What is it about Tech fans that they love to get on their knees for their coaches?  I half expect to go down to Yellow Jacket Alley and see the Tech fans genuflecting as PJ walks by.  LOL!



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Double B wrote: Tech Head wrote: Double B wrote: PJ isn't overhappy about Josh, TH.

PJ isn't as steadfast on Josh now as he was early in the season, that is evident.  His confidence is wavering or he wouldn't have pulled him vs NC.  That was the first time he pulled him all year due to ineffectiveness.  Josh went back into the game so it wasn't his ankle either.

I meant to say overall he is happy (overhappy).  He stated he pulled Josh not because of performance but to change it up.  I agree he sees things he can improve, but I get the feel PJ has been overall pretty happy with Josh

Yeah I agree with that, TH.  He's a first year starter as a sophomore in a new offense and we're a surprising 7-3 and he's been instrumental in that record.

 

I think it boils down to this:  If Josh can walk, CPJ will have him at QB.  I wish he'd start Jaybo just to see if Jaybo can get and keep us ahead of Miami with the thought of ensuring Josh will be 100% for UGAG.  But IMO, CPJ will go with Josh as long as he can because CPJ gets payed to win and Josh is his meal ticket.

Looking ahead to 2009, I'm sure CPJ would start another QB if he thought that QB was better than Josh.  Hi-evah, I doubt another newbie can come in and overtake Josh, either in terms of athleticism or skill in running the 3-0.  Maybe Jaybo himself can improve markedly in building his strength and weight over the winter that would help him compete for the starting job.  But as long as Josh continues to demonstrate his leadership, toughness and works to improve his 3-0 management, he'll be very tough to displace as starter.

I really admire Josh.  IMO, he's a true leader who plays hurt and works his ass off.  I have to think CPJ understands Josh has the respect of his teammates.  Plus, he still has a big upside because he's still in a learning mode, moereso that Jaybo because he's still new to the 3-0.

One way or another, as CPJ continues to nurture and teach his QB's how to excel at this offense, the future is VERY bright.  If the OL can come around next season, we should be fine.  Hi-evah, the rest of the ACC is also improving at least as fast as we are.



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 Posted: Thu Nov 20th, 2008 04:42 pm
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Double B wrote: Don't defer to anybody about anything, always question.  You don't know a damn thing about what the President does, not really yet you will question Obama daily.  You read a few magazines and some online blogs and have an opinion about everything political yet in reality you know very little in the grand scop yet you question.  Why is football any different?  


I'd say its strategic vs. tactical.  In politics, I know what I believe and what policies advocate my beliefs (the big picture, strategy).  As far as football goes, we're talking tactics.  We're not questioning the gameplan, we're questioning the execution.  I'm not too big a man to admit I don't know enough about the offensive scheme to say that JN won't get it done one way or another.  Too many variables.  But I do know PJ has coached QBs in this offense for longer than I've been alive...if he thinks JN can run HIS offense better than Jaybo, then fine, I'll go with that (for now). 

I was one of JN's biggest fans for most of the season.  But after the UNC game I'm really starting to wonder.  Surely PJ told JN on the sideline at some point "hey, lets try to get the ball on the corner more with the pitch", but for some reason it didnt' register with Josh.  Something ain't right.  But I don't really think that Shaw is the QB that will lead us to glory either.  That's not fair to say yet since we haven't seen much of him, but for now that is my opinion.

Paging Mr. Luallen!

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A thought popped into my head while reading McJacket's post.

Do you guys think this coaching staff will work on Josh's throwing mechanics?
Why haven't they already? Possibly that was too much for Josh to undertake while learning the offense this year and they'll start next year. Or will they just leave it alone because it's not that big of an issue?

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4NCsAndCounting wrote: A thought popped into my head while reading McJacket's post.

Do you guys think this coaching staff will work on Josh's throwing mechanics?
Why haven't they already? Possibly that was too much for Josh to undertake while learning the offense this year and they'll start next year. Or will they just leave it alone because it's not that big of an issue?

Thoughts?

I don't think its that big of an issue.  He's effective enough when we ask him to pass, assuming he has enough time.  He does tend to overthrow people though, but he's made some great clutch passes.



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Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.

Ya, I think the main thing is that he tells you the straight up truth as he sees it.  Fans not what like what he sees, but he doesn't tip toe around or change the subject.  Like he was saying in the last show... it's important that players know where he stands and isn't all over the place day to day.

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Double B wrote: If Jaybo starts we'll be fine. 

People make a big deal about the times when Jaybo has struggled but Josh has some stinkers on his resume from this season too which people seem to conveniently forget.

When Jaybo ran the offense vs Miss State and Duke it was as good as the offense looked all season against relative competition.

According to Bill Wagner Josh's biggest problem is he misses the read with the B-Back ALL THE TIME.

Of course if the line doesn't block we could have Tommy Frazier running the TO and it won't matter.




Agree completely.  The key to tonight's game, IMHO, is how well our offensive line performs.  From CPJ's comments, it sounded like we REALLY screwed up royally against UNC.  We've got to block well, make correct reads, and not put the ball on the ground.

The Mississippi State game performance was a thing of beauty.

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Double B, stick with running your radio show.  I like the way CPJ is running our football team.  And, I'll bet he has forgotten more about evaluating talent of football players than you have learned.

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NYJacket wrote: Double B, stick with running your radio show.  I like the way CPJ is running our football team.  And, I'll bet he has forgotten more about evaluating talent of football players than you have learned.
These kind of posts always come from guys with single digit numbers of posts and gmail or some other free email accounts.

Sports talk radio shows are all about analyzing the moves the coaches make so by sticking to my radio show that entails dissecting how PJ is running his football team and analyzing his moves.

So your post is more than a little absurd.








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vamosjackets wrote: A healthy, more devloped Josh is the difference in championship caliber offense and top 25 offense IMO.

Ding, ding, ding! Josh is the difference maker athletically vs. higher quality opponents.

More importantly, especially tonight, vs. better defenses Josh can move the chains even when the blocks aren't great. I see having Jaybo lead the offense requires excellent performance from all the other players -- I'm a lot less confident at this time having to rely on said excellent performance to beat Miami.

Hopefully, if Jaybo's the starter, the offense has regained its form as we saw in games such as Miss St and Duke and FSU.

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Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.
Agree asking questions is essential for health



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When will we find out who the starter is? After kickoff? I can't believe we haven't named one yet.

Any chance for a flyover tonight?

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Tech Head wrote: Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.
Agree asking questions is essential for health
Asking questions is fine, i would let him get his bags unpacked.

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we must beat uga wrote: Tech Head wrote: Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.
Agree asking questions is essential for health
Asking questions is fine, i would let him get his bags unpacked.

You  talk football the way you want to and I'll talk football the way I want to.  Now lets knock off the nagging, feels like we're at a woman's bridge club.



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HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: When will we find out who the starter is? After kickoff? I can't believe we haven't named one yet.

Any chance for a flyover tonight?

Yeah, the Space Shuttle...



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4NCsAndCounting wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: When will we find out who the starter is? After kickoff? I can't believe we haven't named one yet.

Any chance for a flyover tonight?

Yeah, the Space Shuttle...

A 6:15 flyover is a little early for a 7:30 start.....maybe somebody should call up there and move it back an hour....



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4NCsAndCounting wrote: HelluvaMGTmjr wrote: When will we find out who the starter is? After kickoff? I can't believe we haven't named one yet.

Any chance for a flyover tonight?

Yeah, the Space Shuttle...

Actually, I think its the whole friggin' Space Station!

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