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Sounds like both QB's will be ready.  http://myespn.go.com/blogs/acc/0-3-172/Paul-Johnson-expects-both-QBs-to-be-ready.html



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How about her final comment: If we are to have a chance we definately need Nesbitt.

I hope Jaybo saw that.

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dressedcheeseside wrote: How about her final comment: If we are to have a chance we definately need Nesbitt.

I hope Jaybo saw that.

Yes, Heather is a real expert on GT QB's. Jaybo is going to get a chance to prove her wrong. I can see Nesbitt in the game for a couple of plays to try and set up a long bomb to BeBe but it's doubtful he will run an option play other than the dive and/or fake dive and throw it long to try for a quick score.



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I really think Jaybo will start. Any time there's been a gametime decision on a player, he hasn't played.



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If Jaybo starts we'll be fine. 

People make a big deal about the times when Jaybo has struggled but Josh has some stinkers on his resume from this season too which people seem to conveniently forget.

When Jaybo ran the offense vs Miss State and Duke it was as good as the offense looked all season against relative competition.

According to Bill Wagner Josh's biggest problem is he misses the read with the B-Back ALL THE TIME.

Of course if the line doesn't block we could have Tommy Frazier running the TO and it won't matter.




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Double B wrote: If Jaybo starts we'll be fine. 

People make a big deal about the times when Jaybo has struggled but Josh has some stinkers on his resume from this season too which people seem to conveniently forget.

When Jaybo ran the offense vs Miss State and Duke it was as good as the offense looked all season against relative competition.

According to Bill Wagner Josh's biggest problem is he misses the read with the B-Back ALL THE TIME.

Of course if the line doesn't block we could have Tommy Frazier running the TO and it won't matter.



 

Listened to the awesome interview with Bill.  In all fairness Bill admittedly hasn't seen too many GT games.  I'd say Paul Johnson has a better 'read' on who can run this offense better.  JD's early season success seemed to be outside. Did Josh's reads work against FSU on JD's dive TD runs or was that poor play by FSU or good OL play.......How many plays are option plays or called plays to eliminate 'reads'?

I would say BOTH QB's bring BOTH positives and negatives but BOTH are capable of directing this offense well enough to win, IF we don't turn the damn ball over. I am very comfortable with either playing.  When in the last 30 years could we say that?

  It seems turnovers are magnified even more this year due to the new clock rules and less possessions......

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  I'd say Paul Johnson has a better 'read' on who can run this offense better.
I know a helluva lot more about running a radio show and a message board than anyone on this board and I have a helluva lot better "read" on what works and what doesn't work.  But it doesn't stop a lot of people from making suggestions on how I can do better and how things can run better.

With that thought in mind why shouldn't I and others make suggestions on how Paul Johnson can better run his offense like you guys do about the radio show and board?   Isn't turnabout fair play?

Oftentimes people who aren't experts and are removed from situations come up with damn good ideas.  Listeners to the radio show and members of the board have come up with some damn good ideas that I didn't think of and observers of football teams sometimes have better ideas than the coaches.  Distance can provide much needed perspective.

If experts had all the answers than there wouldn't be "suggestion boxes" at some of the largest companies in the world where customers' suggestions are solicited by management for improvements.



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Double B wrote: If Jaybo starts we'll be fine. 

When Jaybo ran the offense vs Miss State and Duke it was as good as the offense looked all season against relative competition.


Jaybo hasn't done very much.  Duke and Miss State has done ????    <NOTHING>

Until we get a good drive against a good team, I have little faith in Jaybo.  I need to see something against a real team.  I just don't trust him yet. 

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beelogic wrote:
 I can see Nesbitt in the game for a couple of plays to try and set up a long bomb to BeBe but it's doubtful he will run an option play other than the dive and/or fake dive and throw it long to try for a quick score.

Logic where do you get this logic from?  This is the second place PJ has said he feels confident that Nesbitt will play.  He also said this on th radio show.  I would bet he will play, and don't see how you come to this.   



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buzzwax wrote:
 
listened to the awesome interview with Bill.  In all fairness Bill admittedly hasn't seen too many GT games.  I'd say Paul Johnson has a better 'read' on who can run this offense better.  JD's early season success seemed to be outside. Did Josh's reads work against FSU on JD's dive TD runs or was that poor play by FSU or good OL play.......How many plays are option plays or called plays to eliminate 'reads'?

I would say BOTH QB's bring BOTH positives and negatives but BOTH are capable of directing this offense well enough to win, IF we don't turn the damn ball over. I am very comfortable with either playing.  When in the last 30 years could we say that?

  It seems turnovers are magnified even more this year due to the new clock rules and less possessions......

Muck Fiami!!!! 


I agree Wax.  PJ doesn't BS around, and he seems to be overhappy with JN performance, and also when he does give feedback he mentioned that JN missed a few reads (in other words not that many).  I think we have to read more into Chan Gailey than PJ because PJ gives mostly straight up answers. 



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PJ isn't overhappy about Josh, TH.

PJ isn't as steadfast on Josh now as he was early in the season, that is evident.  His confidence is wavering or he wouldn't have pulled him vs NC.  That was the first time he pulled him all year due to ineffectiveness.  Josh went back into the game so it wasn't his ankle either.



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Double B wrote: PJ isn't overhappy about Josh, TH.

PJ isn't as steadfast on Josh now as he was early in the season, that is evident.  His confidence is wavering or he wouldn't have pulled him vs NC.  That was the first time he pulled him all year due to ineffectiveness.  Josh went back into the game so it wasn't his ankle either.

I meant to say overall he is happy (overhappy).  He stated he pulled Josh not because of performance but to change it up.  I agree he sees things he can improve, but I get the feel PJ has been overall pretty happy with Josh



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Tech Head wrote: beelogic wrote:
 I can see Nesbitt in the game for a couple of plays to try and set up a long bomb to BeBe but it's doubtful he will run an option play other than the dive and/or fake dive and throw it long to try for a quick score.

Logic where do you get this logic from?  This is the second place PJ has said he feels confident that Nesbitt will play.  He also said this on th radio show.  I would bet he will play, and don't see how you come to this.   

My point is that if PJ feel he has to take a chance and put Nesbitt in the game, he will hand off to Dwyer or fake the hand off and pass. Don't see him running for the corner or following Dwyer up the middle on bad wheels.

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The thing that stinks is that any number of things can blow up the offense. Missed blocks, poor reads by Olinemen and Abacks, missed reads by QB's, Bback indeciveness, etc.

The blocking has been so poor lately that when they actually make their blocks its got to be extremely frustrating to PJ when Josh misses the read on those rare ocassions.

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If Jaybo starts we'll be fine. 

People make a big deal about the times when Jaybo has struggled but Josh has some stinkers on his resume from this season too which people seem to conveniently forget.

When Jaybo ran the offense vs Miss State and Duke it was as good as the offense looked all season against relative competition.

According to Bill Wagner Josh's biggest problem is he misses the read with the B-Back ALL THE TIME.

Of course if the line doesn't block we could have Tommy Frazier running the TO and it won't matter.




Is Bill able to tell 100% of the time when it is the triple and not a called option or give? I just know we had a discussion about this and a couple of our other posters who know a lot about football couldn't really tell. Now I know Bill knows almost as much about this O as PJ but just an honest question. Not saying he is wrong, but I have to believe that Josh isn't missing that many reads or Jaybo is missing more...

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I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.

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Tech Head wrote: Double B wrote: PJ isn't overhappy about Josh, TH.

PJ isn't as steadfast on Josh now as he was early in the season, that is evident.  His confidence is wavering or he wouldn't have pulled him vs NC.  That was the first time he pulled him all year due to ineffectiveness.  Josh went back into the game so it wasn't his ankle either.

I meant to say overall he is happy (overhappy).  He stated he pulled Josh not because of performance but to change it up.  I agree he sees things he can improve, but I get the feel PJ has been overall pretty happy with Josh

Yeah I agree with that, TH.  He's a first year starter as a sophomore in a new offense and we're a surprising 7-3 and he's been instrumental in that record.



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we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.



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Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.

The primary difference between CPJ and Gailey is that when asked questions CPJ has coherent, logical answers.


True, but a big difference between Gailey's offense and PJ's offense is that PJ's offense is very unique, a niche of its own.  It is not a bread and butter typical offense that we've all seen our whole lives.  Its very easy to evaluate a QB in a pro-style offense because everybody knows what to look for.  PJ's offense is a different story.

I could watch Reggie play and say what he was doing wrong very easily, its almost all passing problems.  It is much harder to watch Nesbitt play and say that he is doing something wrong because of all the different reads, called keepers, the abysmal blocking by the OL, etc...hopefully with time I'll have a good eye for this offense and its qb's, but I just can't say right now because this offense is so new to me. 

Basially the QB in this offense is unlike anything must of us have ever seen before, so its hard to evaluate the position, at least for me, so until I get a could handle on this offense, I'm deferring to the guy that has been running it for 20+ years.

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Double B wrote: we must beat uga wrote: I put my trust in CPJ until i am finding reason to doubt.
We all put our trust in CPJ but he's human and doesn't have all the answers either.  Lets not turn Tech football into Jones Town like what happened with Gailey.

Every coach needs to and should be questioned.  It is a part of sports since the beginning of time.


CPJ doesn't have all the pieces of the puzzle to get the correct answer. It's a crap shoot for him this season. He's been fortunate to have about 75% of the skill players needed to make his offense successful in his first year but WAY below that on the OL. Also, the defense has been pretty solid to help get some of those 7 wins.

That's what makes the future so bright: When the 2008-09 OL recruits are Juniors and Sophomores, they will have been "trained" the right way and CPJ will really be able to turn things lose.

I'm thinking GT is the type team he's wanted to get his hands on all along, a BCS team with good enough talent for him to install ALL his offensive knowledge, including lots of passing. Combine that with a pretty good defense and you've got a team that can compete at the highest level.



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